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Jason if Glennon and Trubisky are both good, then we can make a fortune trading one of them. The money wouldnt be wasted, it would be converted into future draft choices, like what the Cubs did for a few years building this young talented team.

1. Clearly there was another suitor for the Niner's 2nd pick. I think the Browns are the most likely, who else had enough ammunition to make us pay two thirds and a fourth? But they were at 12, and we were at 3, so SF went with us. 2. 2 3rds and a 4th isnt THAT high a price to get a franchise QB. 3. Even if you think there is a 35% chance that Trubisky can be a Super Bowl winning QB someday, the price of swinging the bat on that is pretty high sure to market scarcity. 4. Our guys have to really believe in Trubisky! 5. If Trubisky plays well, we have Glennon to trade, who was highly desired this year, and now you dont even have to pay him a signing bonus, so all that value gets converted into draft picks for us. We may get more than we gave for Trubisky back. If that happens, then Pace was smart not to get suckered in Free Agency just because he has a bunch of cap room, and instead converted 2017 cap dollars into 2018 draft picks. Thats like what the Cubs did while they were building too. 6. Yes Pace is on the line with this choice, if our QB play isnt great in the next couple years, then he is done. But he didnt act out of fear, he swung hard, and I hope he hits it out of the park. There are a lot of good reasons to believe in Trubisky, and that's exciting. 6. Between Glennon and Trubisky the odds are pretty high we are going to have a good QB. That is worth a lot too.

Clearly the Browns were on the phone with the Niners, and set the price. This means that we really liked Trubisky, and the scarcity in the market of top quality QBs, or even people that have a CHANCE of being one drives the price here. Remember we bid for Mariotta and Goff too, and failed, so this was Pace's shot I think. We can debate the cost, but with Glennon and Trubisky, we are going to have a QB pretty soon one way or another. And that has a lot of value too. Also, Glennon was courted by multiple teams at a pretty good price. If Trubisky plays well, We have Glennon's contract for 2 years to sell to a team who wouldnt owe him much at ALL, so all that value would be in draft picks to us, and any team, especially one in cap hell could bid. This could be very shrewd indeed.

TRUBISKY!!! WOW! OK well there ya go. They paid the price they must believe in him. This will be Pace's guy forever.

we paid next year's third, and this years 3rd AND 4th! better be an impact player. Pace this is your guy. This is your legacy.

WOW TRADE!!!!

True, that's how we and the press would treat him, but I dont see him as one to act out of fear. I think hes going to do what he thinks is right based on the information he has now. I dont think he will hedge picks to be defensive about how it could look for him etc. I think hes got his philosophies and hes going to play the draft the best way he can based on his scouts information and what his core beliefs are.

That's encouraging! I'm sure Pace & Co. are taking a long look at it, especially since they went after him last year! I hope it turns out to be good for us!

If he isn't diminished as a result of the injury then sure, but there's a reason they let him go too. Maybe the medical outlook isn't good. But yeah, every team in the league could use another good young DL.

yeah that would be insanely great, but I think the more likely scenario, if it happened at all, would be more lower picks this year, that we could package to move back into the 1st round. But yeah wow. Thatd be great for us, not so great for cleveland!

Exactly.

Pressure makes diamonds. And flattens frogs on the highway.

If this is posturing, it's to try to get someone to trade with us, someone who wants Watson a little later and is afraid we might take him. Someone who maybe has a pick around say 12 who could overreact in 2 ways to our benefit, either: 1) trading their 12th pick for our 3rd to take him OR 2) Taking him #1 overall to avoid us taking him before they pick again at #12, ensuring that Garrett falls out of the #1 spot. I would say this means we are less likely to take Watson at #3, if it means ANYTHING at all LOL

I agree. In fact I wouldnt be shocked if 3 of the top four picks go to QB, WR and TE.

I can see it either way, but I agree I wouldnt be surprised at all. If a trade is involved, then so much the more likely, either down from #3 OR up from our second round, especially since a first round pick gets an extra contract year, so it's worth trading up from the 2nd round a few slots to the late 1st, even if your guy was still going to be there in the early second...

yup.

Yeah I like Acho. He hustles. Glad to see him back.

This.

I think it just matters what they think of the QB prospects. I think you're probably right that they dont value any of them that highly, and wont take a QB at #3, but if they DO think any of these guys is the man, then having Glennon on the squad shouldnt make any difference to the pick?

I totally agree, and Im not saying that any of the QBs this year are that good. Just that they are free to make whatever choice they want this year, Glennon or no. I agree.

If Pace & Fox think any of the QBs are franchise Hall of Fame types, they'd be nuts not to take him at #3. I dont think any of them are, but the idea that someone needs to play right away to turn the team around doesnt make sense. They need to do whatever they think will be in the long term interest of the team, thats what all this rebuilding has been about.

I dont think this has anything to do with that, if it did, theyd wait until after the draft to cut him. They wouldnt want to signal their intentions like that.

I agree. I think this is exactly it. Pass Rusher, QB, or Adams are all likely.

exactly

Emery pick, and didnt fit the 3-4. Part of the cost we paid to do a complete overhaul. This all goes back to Ernie Accorsi. He put this together 2 years ago. It's going to take another year or so to actually take shape. Maybe two. Look at how the Cubs paid the price for about 4 years. Signing players and trading them for picks and younger players. It was a concerted effort to give up on the current season to build a team that can contend for the Championship. This is why Pace didn't go harder in Free Agency. I think Pace is looking at a Best Player Available draft, period. Yes if you think one of the QBs is a HOF QB you take him, and that would be BPA too anyway. But I think he can pretty much take any position regardless of the roster.