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This sounds right

He may yet come back to the practice squad.

I think Pace is well educated on the trends, and plays his hand right. He's blown it in terms of talent evaluation sometimes, but not in understanding the market.

Amen to tackling and special teams coverage. That's not about scheme, or working together, or learning plays. It's just individual effort, and exactly the kind of thing you CAN evaluate in preseason.

yup

I was calling for both of them to be fired last year, so of course I am with you. BUT for better or worse they have gotten this year to save themselves, and so we will see what the outcome is.

He had skills, and he certainly got a good look and time to develop, but i guess he just didnt make it to the level he needed to be at.

Ill bet he is for special teams.

Dunning Kruger effect

I completely agree. And he is still a free agent.

you and me both.

I think they were playing vanilla to set up personal matchups for analysis, and thats why Trubisky was able to succeed. However, whatever the plan is, you gotta make tackles.

yeah he is huge, and at the very least people have a long way to go around him.

WOW that IS cheap. We cant lose with a deal like that. Leno was due what, 8 Million?

with a good running back roster, and speed at the WRs and Fields a legit threat to run or throw, we should be very hard to defend. Now we will truly see if Nagy can call plays in rhythm.

agree, and his ball placement was dead on on every throw. early on the WRs didnt make the catches and use their bodies right ont he slants, but JF put the ball where it belonged. He looks like a QB.

maybe Goldman can learn to play OLT lol

I agree. But you can understand why they dont want to. If they knew about his back on draft day, and took a risk with a 2nd rounder to pick a guy who wont be able to play in the NFL, that is not going to help them keep their jobs. At this point, if Nagy puts a good product on the field this year, and he and Fields have rhythm with play calling and execution, it might just be Pace on the chopping block. Im not even sure myself what i think of that, but i can see things going that way if Jenkins never plays.

Ive been watching film on Peters. At one time he was a monstrous beast who owned the league. Now he is a decent, but not spectacular journeyman who will make some plays and whiff on others. He looks like a better version of Leno. So that IS an upgrade while we wait for Jenkins, but he will make frustrating errors and get beat too. All in all you cant say we've lost anything by losing Leno, but we are going to need more (Jenkins) before we can really turn the corner as an offense.

could be camp legs, could be swapping people in and out, whatever it is, special teams coverage was awful. I expect it to get better, so i wont hit the panic button yet, but yeah that is a real problem if it continues like that.

It really did feel that way, and i think youre right, that is a very telling sign.

He will also be a great example for Jenkins to learn from. But in the meanwhile, he's a beast. Age degrades all players, but i think the downward slope is more gradual at OT, they dont rely on speed and he has plenty of strength - it's about how to use it, and that just keeps getting better as you get more experience. Peters is a very good pickup. Had they started with Peters, id have worried about the future, but given Jenkins behind him, suddenly we are in a good position at OLT. And now Borom can get to work trying to establish himself on the right side.

yes, and one stupid fumble aside, even in the beginning his ball placement was good. when a WR has body position like that on a slant, its up to them to catch it, Fields put the ball right where it belonged. Robinson would have caught both of those slants that were incomplete early.

YES.

yes and no. he makes plays, but he got beaten in coverage twice in the 1st quarter. at the least he is good depth, and he can probably contribute more than that, but you can pick on him too. Then again, its usually Smith who runs with the TEs, so Ogletree can compete with Trevathan for what they ask Trevathan to do. But it doesnt solve that problem, it just makes it younger, and maybe a better playmaker, but both he and Trevathan have trouble in coverage.