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for sure. And this is why I didnt like Omarion Hampton too. The guy cant cut without that extra step. When you can get going downhill fast, and still make cuts without losing forward momentum, and if you have vision, that's gonna be a good outcome.

My god you are an idiot. Your dimestore psychology, your ridiculous evaluations of players simply because they are on the roster. You've literally been wrong about EVERYTHING we've disagreed about for YEARS. And you turn that into me being arrogant that i always think im right. But thats not it - its just how OFTEN you are wrong. I dont have this issue with any other member of this board. We all say things that are right sometimes and wrong sometimes. We do it in mutual respect. I learn a ton from the other members of this board. But you are just baffling how incredibly stupid you are. And its not about me. It really isnt. So you can keep saying your ridiculous theories etc, but your analysis of my personality is on par with your analysis of the players - COMPLETELY whacked. When you posted to Adam that wasnt a private conversation, it was part of the thread. It's OK for anyone to comment on it. Its OK for us to have opinions that arent the same as the pundits you read. It's OK for us to know that PFF is nonsense. And this wave of psychological analysis is just cringe. TO BE CLEAR - I do not think Im smarter than everyone, I just think youre incredibly dumb. So just being just regular, Im smarter than you. But thats not ego - its a low bar Im claiming. How's that for analysis? Dont like it? Then keep your analysis of me to yourself ya moron. P.S. Im not even mad. I'm just out of patience for your endless nonsense.

total BS. You cannot boil every person down into a negative person or a positive person. You are saying every opinion they have isnt authentic, it's just in harmony with this incredibly oversimplified world view. This is not taught in psychology. Also, the reason i didnt like Fields isnt because i have a negative personality, its because I could clearly see that he sucked. And time has proven that out too. Im surprised youre still trying to argue this. But no, it is not that everything everyone says is a fake opportunity to prove their worldview was right. Instead, people look at facts, and make opinions about those facts. So you have it backwards. I am not a negative person who was looking for evidence to hate of Fields. I am a football fan who could see that despite the stats, Fields sucked. Fields sucking came first, then my opinion came after that. Do you remember when you didnt like Caleb, and I was telling everyone he was gonna be great? Was that because Im a positive person who only sees the good, and you were a negative person who only sees the bad? Your theory here is a self serving one meant to dismiss the substance of any of our opinions and instead attribute them to some deep binary choice that we are either positive or negative people. It's ridiculous, and insulting, and more than that it's really wrong. if your psychology classes taught you that you can neatly put every human into an overgeneralized box like that, then you got ripped off. Every day i make both positive and negative comments in here. Like everyone, I am a fully dimensional person with all kinds of thoughts. Your amateur psychological evaluation is nonsense.

Right. What's done is done. I can put an asterix on Pole's handling of the draft board, but we have a nicegroup of players. And honestly if Trapilo turns out great, then I'm gonna give Poles an A for the draft anyway. He definitely got an A in free agency. Now it's time to develop those players and see what weve got!

getting guys open and then finding them quick is absolutely the name of the game, and Johnson is a genius at it. We have as good a shot of putting together a truly dangerous offense as we have had in many many years. This WR/TE room is now better than Marshall, Jeffries and Bennett. And Odunze is gonna surprise a LOT of people. We did not see him used properly last year. I think he might be our leading receiver for yards this year.

I agree. The list of players is great. The number of players is great. The positional consideration is good but not great. I cant say which is better. That's subjective, and theoretically they should be about the same value. Had we reached for more positional concerns, we would have lost overall draft value, but gained in other ways. So Im not saying it's bad, just pointing out how it would look best on a draft value / number of players measure like the list above, and the score doesnt represent any positional issues. So Im not surprised we scored high on that list, given the way we went about things, we maximized what the list is measuring. Also, I agree about Ersery and Trapilo, he can come in and make us forget all about it if he is great. I was thinking more about getting scooped on the later HBs, like KJ and Skatebo? But like Trapilo, just because a guy wasnt as heavily scouted, especially by me!, doesnt mean the Bears didnt find a gem who will outperform the names i was expecting. But i think Poles wanted some of those names too, and got outmaneuvered.

well for better or worse, we stuck to best player available. that means we may have missed on critical positions, but it also means our draft value is maximized, and we get good scores, especially when we trade down for more picks. That'll help the draft grade. But does it do right by the team is the argument. And that goes both ways too.

Before things happen, there is speculation which is often crazy, and leaks which are manipulations. Sometimes there is actual information too, but it is usually identified in ways like "internal sources say" and then you have to evaluate whether that's a clickbait liar, or a real reporter. Like for example if Adam Schefter or Ian Rappaort say it, it's probably true. And a guy like Erik Lambert says all kinds of crap, but he doesnt claim its an actual leak. And usually he is just reposting what someone else said on Twitter, and a lot of THAT is contradictory and BS. But if he DOES claim its actual info, it could be a total lie.

no problem, just whoever we like best can be had for a pretty cheap one year deal, if we need them

Interesting tidbit: Darnell Weight played left tackle for his entire Junior year at Tennessee. He had like 13 starts there. And Trapilo played about the same number of games at left tackle in college too. Im not a fan in general of moving a guy out of a position hes playing well in, so I would be happiest if Trapilo shows promise at LT right away. But if we get into it, and it's not working, moving Wright is definitely an option. And if it works, it could be great for the future.

I dont really have any limits on Burden in mind, but i think we are underrating Odunze's ceiling. They each can be major stars. Odunze is going to look a lot better this year.

No one has inside information before the draft. She interviewed Jeff King (Bears director of Player Personel) and has some sources in Halas Hall that gave her insight to what happened in our draft room AFTER the draft was over. She was direct and did not condition what she said with any "I think" or similar as she does when shes predicting. She simply said, as fact, that the Bears wanted Jeanty, then the two OTs, and that Loveland was 4th on their draft list. Obviously the price to trade up was too high, and they liked Loveland. And it's easy to see why too, now that we know they were looking at TEs. I did predict a few months ago that Kmet was not as safe as he seemed. But that was based on him vs another player. I had not considered that Laporta is a totally different KIND of TE than Kmet and Johnson would want that kind to make his offense work. In fact he kind of threw us all off on that by declaring he wasnt going to run the same offense as Detriot. I took that to mean that he might use a slot receiver to do the things he used LaPorta to do. Thats why I was talking about McMillan before the draft. Now we got both. Loveland to play LaPorta, and Burden to play int he slot with a skill set similar to DJ Moores. I dont think that means they are redundant, I thinkj it means the defense is going to have its work cut out for trying to cover both, AND Odunze with Loveland running across the middle.

Chubb is a free agent

Actually Poles said things would start off with Trapilo at LT, and the three of them would compete. He didnt rule out moving Wright, but i think we all hope that someone emerges from the three to start at LT and Wright doesnt have to move!

well said. Roushar should be a godsend for us.

no, when she is giving opinions, she uses words like "I think" etc - she absolutely has many sources inside many NFL teams. She is a reporter, and when she says things as facts, she has definitely heard that information from a credible source. She named Jeff King, director of player personel for the Bears as one of them, who confirmed a bunch of this.

I doubt Braxton because he isnt sturdy or large in his base. He moves well laterally, and can ride rushers out, but when they bullrush him, he doesnt get his butt down, and he's not strong in his base, dropping anchor. One point for hope for Braxton is that Roushar had a similar LT in New Orleans, Armistead I think his name was? ANyway he was a similar player, and Roushar taught him to drop anchor better, et his butt down, and he became an All Pro player. Hopefully if Braxton is the choice at LT, he can teach him that. As to Braxton being a '3 year starter' it's true, but on a terrible offensive line, and he did get ridden back in the QB a lot. I just dont think hes up to the level of the others. But if he plays well, and wins the spot, then GREAT. But there's a reason they picked Amagadje in the 3rd round last year, and Trapilo again in the 2nd round this year. They wouldn't have done that if they were all in on Braxton Jones.

totally agree with you. and I do expect more trickery and fun stuff for sure.

For sure, all we know, from other teams, is that Poles was inquiring about the price to trade up. We can't know who he was thinking of taking had the price been right. Probably Banks at 3 LOL or Jeanty We did hear from Courtney Cronin, that the Bears has Jeanty above either OT and Loveland though, so it's not that hard to put together.

Also, while those kids of runs can replace yardage, they dont make the defense come down into the box in the same way, because those runs are generally to the sides and not up the middle. So you dont replace everything a HB gives you with those yards?

I definitely think leaving Wright where he is is best for him. I definitely think Trapilo is better as a RT than a LT. I definitely think Jones and Amagadje wont be good enough to start at LT. I definitely think the Bears drafted Trapilo in the 2nd round to project as a starter. All that tells me if Trapilo plays well at LT, then he will start there, and if not, theyre gonna move Wright. Im pretty sure theyre hoping Trapilo can play LT, but if he cant do it well, then what? You switch sides with even less time to get them acclimated? This is a bit of a cluster f*ck. Hopefully it sorts out. My GUESS is that Wright ends up at LT, and if he can do it, he might be very good there. But I hate moving guys around. I really do. Wish we'd taken Ersery instead of Trapilo and Stewart. But if the switch works, then we end up a DT ahead.

good analysis - I think you've got it right.

If you can believe what she said, they would have taken Banks ahead of Loveland, and that makes me feel a little better about them. Loveland is a great pick, and Johnson will be able to show his stuff with Burden and Loveland with Odunze and Moore. That's a lot to cover. She's also really articulate about how we played ourselves on our trade downs, and I especially liked the discussion about Trapilo and what it means to the OL. I really like TTNL and Courtney because they seem to look at things the same way i do a lot. Not always! I think Campbell is not as good as they do. And the GMs in the league agree with them and not me lol But yeah, the way Johnson was rocking back and forth, he clearly is tickled to have Loveland. Even if he was 4th on our list, he's still well worth the #10 pcik, and is gonna make a huge difference for this team. Pray that however the LT situation works out, it will actually work. If there is no hole on the OL, this offense could go far.

OK there's just too much good information here. I'm just gonna share it. If you watch it, do yourself a favor and start at 48:00 (48 minutes in) to avoid all the nonsense, and whatever. Courtney talking about the Bears draft starts at 48 min

So Courtney Cronin tonight on TTNL saying a bunch of things with authority in her voice. SHe usually says things like "could be" etc but these things she was definitive about. She said she spoke to Jeff King after the first round pick had been taken, and he said the Bears had several players highly targeted for the #10 pick. She later said the Bears definitely wanted Campbell AND Banks, and after the Jaguar trade, the price was too high to go up for Jeanty. She said she didnt know who the Bears had been calling, but it definitely wasn't the Browns. So this is specific information, instead of rumor or opinion, and she has always been credible as far as I know. She doesnt make guesses presented as facts. Could someone have lied to her? For sure. But I believe this is what she heard, and it makes sense. So it seems the order was Jeanty, Campbell & Banks then Loveland. I'm still watching and she literally just said "If Banks had been there at #10 he would have been the pick" I can still see why Johnson was shaking with excitement. Like many of us here, maybe we felt like we should be disciplined and do the right thing, take the LT, but when a shiny toy at TE who's NFL comp happens to be Sam LaPorta is available, its exciting to be able to get that guy. I personally felt the same way about Jeanty. I knew we should take the LT if possible, but my irresponsible heart wanted to see Jeanty in a Bears uniform and think about Payton, Sayers and Willie Galimore, who is why my jersey here is 28. Should I add Neal Anderson to that list? A lot of people dont know about Willie the Wisp.