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out of curiosity, what were Braxton Jones' sack numbers? Id ask about Amagadge too, but in my mind he gets a fresh start since he came right from injury to being thrown into NFL games without any ramp up. That doesnt mean i expect him to be better (or not!) - Ill just grade him "unknown"

thats an interesting way to look at it. I generally feel like you need even more from a top ten pick, especially since if all goes to plan, we wont have another one for a while. But there is a logic to what youre saying too. Upgrade a premium position, even if the player is never a superstar. Solid and affordable is good.

for sure. I was just answering the starter question. You can never have too many pass rushers as the Eagles have proven LT is still a starter need i think?

I'm not sure we really have a starter at LT or SS, and I bet we will have new starters at RB and WR3 before this is all over too. Maybe a CB too as a wildcard, although less likely.

fun! I think so too. I wouldnt be surprised at all to see us grab a WR in the first 3 rounds. TE too, or at least one of the two. --- I think this guy can do some things for us in the slot too.

ah ok, i was confused! Im not sure that pro bowl 8 year player is going to be available at pick 10. I would be happy with Banks though, i think he can help us win, and he could possibly still be our LT 8 years from now...

Im confused? I said Kelvin Banks Jr as LT?

I can make a case for Kelvin Banks Jr as a LT. I cant make the case that there isn't an edge rusher we should take instead, because I havent seen enough film this year, but Ive seen some on Banks, and he could be very good for us at LT. I definitely prefer him over Will Campbell. Even arm length notwithstanding, Campbell plays too high for my taste. AZ54 showed me some good film on that, and then the subsequent film Ive seen confirms it to my eye. I dont like Campbell at T OR G. And it's funny, because about a month ago, I saw a highlight film of Campbell and came on here and said he was a beast. Its so funny how a highlight film can make you feel one way, and then actually watching full games against quality opponents tells you a completely different story.

agree with all these - maybe a better pass catching weapon at TE than Kmet too? I think if you cut (or trade) him, you gain $10M in salary cap, so if you found someone better at the same price you could afford it. Don't know who that would be though. Maybe another trade? Not predicting it this year, but i think it is on the table.

Johnson will do whatever utilizes his roster best. Hes already said he isnt going to do a repeat of the Lions playbook here. If we KNEW Jeanty would be LaDanian Tomlinson, we'd take him at #10 with a smile on our face. Now Im not saying he IS, but what matters is what Johnson thinks. You may well be right, but "Jeanty should not be considered" is a pretty bold and definitive statement, and none of us have the inside info to know that. Like I said, you may well prove out to be 100% right, and I agree that in general, taking a back that high is considered a mistake. So Im definitely not saying youre wrong. But I dont know how you can know that so definitively. Also, food for discussion: Backs went out of fashion as teams played one high safety looks. The running game of the 90s wouldnt work against these modern defenses. But something interesting has happened. The passing game opened up with teams like the Rams and Chiefs exploiting modern routes and concepts, and then Fangio showed the league that two high safeties could counter that. Suddenly, we are seeing more two high (or more) looks; cover 2, man under 2, cover 3, cover 4 etc. So maybe part of what Johnson and the Eagles proved last year is that there is a place for a real running game again, as those safeties have moved back? The Eagles also countered the Chiefs with a four man shell, and a fierce pass rush. Even so, I think we all agree that paying a RB big money is hard to justify, but taking them with the 10th pick and paying a rookie deal isn't that rich, *IF* you think they will be one of those rare difference makers. Again, I cant say if Jeanty is or isnt that, but if Johnson thinks so, they wont hesitate to take him over OL depth for 2 years from now. I still personally think we're taking a LT with #10, but Jeanty and that TE are definitely options, depending on what Johnson thinks about their ability.

right. he never had a chance to learn anything before they threw him to the fire last year. He went from injured/not practicing to his first NFL games. That said, I wouldnt be shocked if we took a LT in the first couple of rounds, maybe even a guy like Kelvin Banks Jr at #10

agree, either a cheaper free agent, and/or at least one WR in the first three rounds

or scare someone into a trade up. I love draft intrigue

I hear Dalman chose us over more lucrative offers. Looks like we are becoming a destination. Hopefully the right WR feels the same way.

Exactly. We put together a competitive roster, but it has too many older free agents. A great sustainable team develops through the draft, and reaching for positions is the best way to minimize your draft capital, so being flexible is key. Now we have a good roster, and Caleb's rookie deal gives us the money to do it. The next phase will be to replace those players with best player available over the next few years of the draft, and then we will be a real sustainable franchise. Hopefully, when the time comes, Caleb emulates his hero Tom Brady and leaves some money on the table so he has someone to throw the ball to. Poles knows this, and now that we have a real coaching staff who can help with player evaluations, the future looks bright.

maybe we will draft Kelvin Banks Jr and get something similar.

for sure, and as Philly taught us, you can never have too many pass rushers

waited many years to see this post! Congrats to you and all of us! Maybe OLT at pick #10 too

If we dont trade down, I think we are looking at OT, Edge or RB with the #10 pick. Possibly WR?

and the TE2, too

And with all the obvious holes filled; OG, OC, OG, TE, DE and DT, we now have draft flexibility.

Big body, high motor. Looks good, and yes to dawhizz, he looks like he could play some DT, especially on 3rd down. https://x.com/NFL_DougFarrar/status/1897346672558330301

He's an edge - big bodied like Allen likes. I feel like signing him instead of a larger name hints at us drafting an edge player early in the draft? Either that or they think Booker will continue to develop?

ANy RB (or QB) will do better with a better line, so of course i agree with you on that. My personal opinion is still that Swift isnt good enough, and I think he will at most split carries with a running back who isnt on the roster yet. Possibly he will do even less or get traded, but his cap situation says he stays this year and is gone next year. So I forsee him being RB2 behind someone we dont even know yet. But this is all just my guess. I KNOW he isnt good enough, I agree he will be better with a better OL, and the rest is just my opinion.

spotrac does a great job of tracking the salary cap and predicting market value. They say 3 year deal worth $11M a year, so that's probably pretty close. They give comps and justify their thoughts at this link too. https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/player/market-value/_/id/76915/kyler-gordon