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waited many years to see this post! Congrats to you and all of us! Maybe OLT at pick #10 too

If we dont trade down, I think we are looking at OT, Edge or RB with the #10 pick. Possibly WR?

and the TE2, too

And with all the obvious holes filled; OG, OC, OG, TE, DE and DT, we now have draft flexibility.

Big body, high motor. Looks good, and yes to dawhizz, he looks like he could play some DT, especially on 3rd down. https://x.com/NFL_DougFarrar/status/1897346672558330301

He's an edge - big bodied like Allen likes. I feel like signing him instead of a larger name hints at us drafting an edge player early in the draft? Either that or they think Booker will continue to develop?

ANy RB (or QB) will do better with a better line, so of course i agree with you on that. My personal opinion is still that Swift isnt good enough, and I think he will at most split carries with a running back who isnt on the roster yet. Possibly he will do even less or get traded, but his cap situation says he stays this year and is gone next year. So I forsee him being RB2 behind someone we dont even know yet. But this is all just my guess. I KNOW he isnt good enough, I agree he will be better with a better OL, and the rest is just my opinion.

spotrac does a great job of tracking the salary cap and predicting market value. They say 3 year deal worth $11M a year, so that's probably pretty close. They give comps and justify their thoughts at this link too. https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/player/market-value/_/id/76915/kyler-gordon

unless Allen thinks one is head and shoulders above the rest, I suspect we might wait for a few to go and the price to fall.

at first blush, he's a little guy, but he has some twitch to him. Maybe he could provide some of the slot role that Allen gave us last year.

My guess is he will play RG?

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There is no doubt that having elite measurables is a benefit, in other words the same OT would be better with longer arms. My only point was that you cant just look at arm measurement and determine that a guy cant play OT, because there are other factors too. The film you showed was definitely troubling. I dont think all of it was due to arm length, but some of it was, and it did show poor hand fighting for example too, and playing too high, and those are also problems. Im also not saying we should or shouldnt take Campbell. I need to see film on some other OTs first. Without knowing a lot, Banks intrigues me. But the answer is always there on the film, and this film didnt look so great for sure. Seeing it on film means more to me than hearing measurables is all Im saying.

well i think we can all agree that if Allen cant get it out of Edmunds, then no one can. We will know if he is worth hims $ after this season for sure. No more excuses. But i wont be surprised if Edmunds balls out and Eberflus just neutered him.

OK I'll respond as I see them. i dont know what my opinion is going to be yet, because Im looking at each play and then responding. Feel free to come back at me and disagree too. Since we are looking at specific clips, Im totally open to hearing how you see it differently (if you do) In the first video: 23s I dont see #66 on the field? The guy that got blown up looks too skinny to be Campbell? And anyway he was defeated by a bull rush, not around the corner, so i dunno if arm length applied to that one? 2:12 Good one. DE got the corner, definitely an example of longer arms would have been helpful. If i understand correctly the longer arms help recover when you lose position, like in this one. Better footwork would mitigate it, but youre not always gonna be right, and in this case I see what you mean. 2:28 Ok this one Campbell loses the rep because he got beaten hand fighting, to the inside. It looks REALLY ugly. This should never happen. I dont think it's an arm length issue like 2:12 was though, but it's definitely a bad rep. 4:17 Beat hand fighting again. In this one, I'd give you half a point because longer arms might have helped recover from the original mistake, but he could have had better footwork and then the arms wouldnt necessarily be a problem on this rep. so 2:12 is fully an example, and 4:17 is half an example of arm length issues. Also hate to see him losing the hand fighting in some of these clips. second video: 1:13 Crap! Beaten inside again! arms might have helped recover, but mostly he just got too wide? 1:22 beaten handfighting again - I dont see this one as an arm length issue, he was withint reach of the player the whole time, just couldnt get his hands on him in a productive way. 2:48 he did OK. I can kind of see what you might mean in that he could have redirected him a little better if he had a little longer reach there, but he did OK? 3:38 I see this one a little differently than you describe it. i think Campbell was too high and took too many steps until he could get his strength engaged. His hands were on him, elbows bent, so i dont think this one was an arm length one, but for sure too high. Not a great rep. 3:52 Getting beaten with hand fighting again. I can give you half a point for arm length here because once the player disengaged, if Campbell had longer arms, he might have had better leverage to recover, but all in all, he did keep the guy off the QB. ALL this handfighting is concerning. Was this from this last year, or was some of it from when he was younger? I think you had 3:52 then 3:50, probably a typo, but im missing a rep here so I cant comment? 4:28 looks like he rode the defender out around the circle, so Id call that a good rep? He did get beat right at the snap, so thats not good, but he recovered and rode the guy out, so his arms were long enough on this one? 4:50 too high, gets backup up into the pocket. Not great, but not an issue of short arms? His elbows are bent during the rep. So mostly i see handfighting issues, playing too high, and a few times where longer arms would have helped him recover. I cant tell you again how much i appreciate and respect you pointing to specific reps on film. I know it takes some work on your part, so thank you for that. And it gives us something specific to talk about.

A couple things. First off I totally agree that longer arms is better. Im not saying its nothing, Im just saying its only part of a player evaluation. Some players succeed with less than desirable traits, but the traits are desirable because generally speaking they do make a difference. Secondly, I REALLY respect you offering film to back up your claim. To me that's everything. I'll go watch it now...

sounds right. I think the two sides are more interchangeable than you do, but either way I also think Jackson goes to the right side.

all good stuff. I would only add the Edmunds is going to be worth more now that Allen knows how to use him. If the offer is too low, Edmunds would be smart to just stay under the current contract and prove his worth to the market.