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yeah the new site is great. When you first did the migration, I had a small glitch. For the first 12 hours, i wanted to trade Caleb for Mitch Trubisky, but then I rebooted, and everything's ok now.

Hes not a top starter thats for sure. I think when we look at the bottom, say 6 starting QBs int he league, Bagent might be better. He doesnt have the flash, but he would probably win some games. In other words, I agree with you that hes a really good QB2, and not really a long term starter. That said, in a league where teams are starving for QBs, maybe someone would trade for him? Some teams like the Giants, are just not that smart in their front offices.

I think when you have young or underdeveloped players, you need to see them flashing against the 2nd string as their first test. If they arent gobbling up their inferiors, then you know they arent ready. So on one hand, yes you cant draw a straight line from production against the 2s to assuming similar production against the 1s, but you can see dominance against the 2s as a sign they are ready to play against the big boys. Will they dominate similarly? Thats what we cant know until we see it.

Ive been wondering if thats not why we are being so proactive about competition for QB3

oh yes, Bagent is one of the best backups in the league already. He can actually win games.

yeah i really think thats all it is - trying to do too much. He is a competitor, and that spirit is going to serve him well.

totally. he is already moving defenders with his eyes. He is "pro ready" I think it will be a comfort thing with him. I felt like he was pressing at the beginning of the Bengals game. Playing ahead of rhythm (new to see in Chicago) and that as he settles in hes going to be even more dangerous. Bagent doesnt have the arm strength, off platform ability, improvisational stuff, but he sure does play in rhythm. He looked so relaxed out there, like the game was slow for him. If Caleb is here now, imagine when he has 5 games under his belt. Also, he's going to have bad days. So Im looking forward to being here for Chapter 1 of the Caleb Williams saga, and watching him develop.

totally agree. I think Caleb is "on schedule" for greatness. Im just saying, there are areas he will grow in. Im not part of the narrative that says he cant do that, I just think, like any rookie, there is room for improvement in his in-structure QBing. I guess, Im also saying his off schedule is already as good as anyone's, so it's the in-pocket stuff to expect growth. I think he is going to be a major hero for us and the entire league.

For sure. THe creative stuff is necessary and will win games for us, but when Caleb can operate in rhythm in the pocket, then it's gonna be hard to stop us.

I feel like VJJ drops more, but youre not wrong. Pettis is no one's WR1

I like Pettis over Velus. Pettis is very fast, but not quite as fast as VJJ. VJJ is 6' Pettis is 6' 1" Pettis plays football LOL

when CW can add some of what TB can do, he will be unstoppable. TB cant add what CW does, but CW will mature. TB sure does play well in rhythm - it looks like "football"

one other thing, great tackling, swarming and hustle on defense across the game - points for Eberflus.

I agree. Williams needs reps.

lol yes, except he waited and looked for a throw for a while there, he didnt just tuck and run. I really like how Williams runs around but stays a passer!

hahaha, Ok well he made some A+ throws, but gets a D for consistency? I feel like he was just trying too hard early - pressing, ahead of the tempo. And he was kind of overly emotional later too. It's good that he cares, he is a great competitor, but he will need to be a little more relaxed and let the game come to him. It's not a bad problem to have, and Im sure he will get it dialed in in time. He wants it SO bad. And I agree with poles when he gave the coahing staff credit for adjusting and leaving Caleb in there. It was not the fear based run to prevent defense too early kind of thinking we've seen before. Lots to build on in this game, and lots to yell at the players in practice about too. Good.

sheesh hell of a pass to Odunze. Good on the Bears for leaving him in. Still a lot to work on from today, but glad Eberflus didnt pull his chips back. That bodes well too.

Caleb had the one good deep ball, but his grade today is an F. He is a rookie. He has tons of talent and ability. He is going to get his ass kicked sometimes too. Better now than week 18!

Brutal day for Caleb, and against the Bengals 2nd stringers too. He looked like he was trying to do too much too fast. I felt like he needed to slow down his rhythm a little bit. Instead he was pressing. Ill call it rookie growing pains, but it sure wasn't great to see. Yuck! The defense on the other hand looked like they were 1sts playing against 2nds as they should.

wow that IS cool

yup me too - if Pioli says thats what happened, I believe him. Apologies to Stinger for misunderstanding. I had thought we were guessing at what went wrong, and I figured if we were offering picks, then we already had the contract worked out in broad strokes. Now I see it was all simultaneous. In any case, kudos to Poles for staying disciplined, and not overpaying for someone on the wrong side of 30.

yup, even as they are loading their defense! I also saw analysis that we can fit another good sized contract under the cap given the rookie QB cap allotment. This is especially true if we add DeMarcus Walker to the trade. So I disagree with Stinger that it was Judons contract ask that killed it - we were clearly in on that. I do think Poles was being disciplined as far as how much draft capital to give up, not going above a 3rd. But if wed gotten the trade with a 3rd, Judons contract expectations were still going to be the same, and if wed intended not to pay that, we wouldnt have been as far as offering that 3rd.

awesome find. I loved seeing this.

thats why they wouldnt offer that other 2nd we have. Poles was willing to get into the bidding, but stayed disciplined, and wouldnt overpay. Hendricksen would probably cost a lot more. Theyre asking a #1, Ive seen it theorized that we might offer: 2025 2nd rounder Demarcus Walker Greg Stroman Jr 2026 6th or something

Yeah, it's better to play against the best, but they play vanilla coverages and dont really gameplan anyway. So I think it's just the reps under fire that counts, and from that point of view it'll be helpful for us to get snaps. If they look great, we probably cant take too much from that other than just people know what theyre doing, but if we struggle, that will be a bad signal for sure. Also, I think there is a chance we get out of this weekend with Trey Hendricksen in a trade.