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Outstanding. This is basically my preferred draft, although i dont usually find a trade down, so id have to choose between Saywer and Fanning. I also oscillate on which DL it'll be in the 2nd. But this is the way.

Of course. Any player that kicks ass on the field earns the respect that this is currently their level. Nothing said before can ever overshadow what they do on the field, or put on tape. The only caveat to that is that a couple good games doesn't overshadow a long history. If you do it, and do it consistently over multiple weeks, or the whole season, especially when against good opponents, then hell yeah.

Yes, I was probably over speaking in passion in regards to the #10 pick, Warren will be a starter in this league somewhere. I just dont think he will shine in the NFL. I dont think his game translates to the kind of numbers he had in college. Id jump at him in the 3rd round, thatd be a no brainer, so his real value is somewhere between 70 and 10. Id say below 20, maybe lower. But I also want to repeat that Im just projecting how the player I saw on film will do in the NFL. So how their current toolbox will apply. There will be some players who will learn from NFL coaches and become a lot better. You can guess at who those will be too based on attitude, flashes of tools that they arent consistent with etc., but some player in the first round will shine and prove any doubters wrong. So Im not saying I KNOW Warren is gonna just be average in the NFL, but if I had to bet right now, that'd be my bet. I also think he's a bit of draft smoke all the GMs are using to disguise their true intentions. Maybe he will go early, but I wont be shocked if Warren slides on draft day.

Oh yeah, I forgot to include him, he's amazing too. I would love to us go R1 LT Banks, R2 DL/S, R2 HB Kaleb Johnson, R3 TE Fannin, and pick up WR Jack Bech and then go for depth. And in the 5th round TE Oronde Gadsden is pretty good too!

and Courtland Loveland is a true middle field matchup problem, just like McMillan is. Either one could play the LaPorta role better than Warren. And I know Johnson isn't going to replicate his Detroit offense here, but Warren doesnt really do anything that well. he just has big production numbers. He doesnt body people to get the ball well, and he certainly doesnt get away from anyone. he doesnt break well at the top of his route. He's just a poor man's Kmet. At least Kmet bodies people. They both run like Frankenstein. lol

If any player is going to be a HOF player for example, then yes of course you want them. But I dont see it with Warren. I see a lot of hype, but the film doesnt back it up. I don't even think he is the best TE in this draft. I think he had production in college because they had no WRs on his team, so they funneled the ball to him a lot, and schemed him open, but youre not going to hide him in the NFL. I didnt see him beating guys for balls, or blocking a ton, I didnt see spectacular catches, I saw a rumbling guy how found dead spots in zones and got the ball a lot. Kmet is better. It's another case of people (writers) reading stats and not watching film to put it into context. Same with Omarion Hampton. And again, it's not like i have some secret talent at film evaluation. ANYONE can see it if they watch the tape instead of reading the numbers and what other writers wrote about the numbers. If you watch a game that Tyler Warren is in with a 12 year old and say nothing, the kid is not begging you to buy his jersey at the end of it. that's as simple as this is.

I have no doubt that Braxton Jones will be motivated this year, but i dont think even his best will be good enough to be the LT on this team going forward. hes been a great value, and a team player when the roster sucked and holes were everywhere, but now that so many are filled, the spotlight turns to his position, one of the most important on the field, and hobbling along with a substandard player that needs Thuney next to him, and growth and motivation to project to succeed seems too much. I think the likelihood of Amagadje being our starting LT in 2 years is much greater than Braxton's and so of course I think we are spending a high pick on LT. I personally hope it's Banks at 10, but it could be Ersery at 41 for example.

Its so funny. The media narratives go round and round and every day its a different player. But if you watch the film, you don't need to be a genius, you just see it. And then you're where the media will end up months later from the beginning?

yeah, please do I had no idea!

I totally agree. Of course I want Banks at 10, but i can understand Jeanty or a Defensive lineman at 10 if you just cant pass them by. But Tyler Warren is not that good, hes dramatically overrated in my view. I thin Courtland Loveland is a better TE, and looks like LaPorta. Id understand a WR here like Golden even more than Warren. Yuck!

So of course we disagree, and that's cool. But I think the more the Bears talk about how happy they are with Braxton here a week before the draft, the better the chance of drafting an OT early - it's lying season, and if they werent looking at OT theyd want everyone to think they were? Doesnt prove anything of course, and even if it did, I have no idea how the draft falls, and if Jeanty is there whether hes the pick anyway even if I am right about LT. Id expect Ersery in the 2nd then, if he's still available, but even if Banks is everything I say he is, he still isn't the only player with talent in the draft. And this kind of goes back to a (friendly) debate you and I were having a few months ago, where i said they revamp the whole OL except for Wright, and you said theyd keep Tevin, and Bates would be healthy and Braxton would be LT. So far theyve overhauled a lot of it. Let's see if they finish that job. I just dont think that you can add Kiran and Braxton together because they dont both play at once. Whoever you put out there has to block that blind side, and Jones has shown he is susceptible to bull rushes, and you saw how Caleb was running for his life last year, not just from Braxton of course, but from all of them. So I think I predicted 4 new OL starters, and you had 1 or 2, and we are at 3 right now, so we'll see if it continues. I think the disciplined thing to do is to replace Jones, but I get the allure of Jeanty if he is there, so it may not be with 10, but probably by our last pick of the 2nd round. But I cant see passing ojn Banks for Warren or something like that. Maybe a DL is worth it. But not because we dont need a LT, but because someone else might just be a dominant player you cant pass up at 10? But in no way do i think we are set with Jones who may not even be ready for camp with his injury.

I dont think we will be predominantly man this year? I just think we will have all kinds of looks, cover 2 and cover 3 are complimentary when you go back and forth. if they call a play to get the seam in cover 2 for example, in cover 3 theres a guy right there. I think its about mixing it up and bringing pressure more than just pure man and blitzing every down. i expect hybrids too. the good teams run those and they may not be fully sound but theyre confusing as hell

Im not stuck on one either. Id LOVE to see Jeanty, but I worry about OT, maybe paired with Ersery I like KJ and Skatebo too as my other choices. If we take Banks in the 1st for example. I was just saying I think we need to take that back in the 2nd round. I dont think these guys are gonna make it to 3rd.

We need a bonafide starter at LT. That position is not covered.

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I just feel like if we think a guy is a gem in the 3rd, some other team will want him in the 2nd. All these mock drafts make us too comfortable, seeing great names we are thrilled to see in the 2nd and 3rd rounds. But if we are thrilled with them as a 3rd round pick, somewhere a GM is thinking about getting him a little earlier. I feel like Skatebo could go earlier, although AZ54, that was a good case you made regarding his drawbacks. They cut both ways of course, available to us, but lacking as a prospect in some way. But I like Saktebo on film a lot, and I really think someone will thinks so too int he 2nd round. Maybe I'm just having a tougher time internalizing that teams don't value HB as a position to draft high. I'm starting to get nervous now. There are total crap scenarios for us out there, I hope that's not how the board falls.

exactly - we got great value from that pick, but we did not get great blocking from him.

Honest question, dont mean to sound sarcastic at all: Do you think Kaleb Johnson will be there when we pick in the 3rd? I dont. I dont even think Saketabo will be there.

there are lots of decent backs in this one. For me Jeanty is special, and I like Kaleb Johnson and Cam Skatebo a lot too. But there are probably 6 or 8 backs that could meaningfully contribute to an NFL team in this draft, but only a few are problems for defenses.

I'll just say this - starting, and being starter quality are not always the same thing.

its as if the best thing you could do would be to get a 4th round level pick in the 7th round. And while that IS good, it's still a 4th round pick. The best thing you can do is to put studs in positions where they can help you, and if that means taking a 17th pick guy at pick 10 because your next pick isnt until 39, then you do it. But I dont see Banks as a 17th pick anyway. I hope he is still there at 10.

I agree that Loveland is too early at 10, but hes a pretty good player. Id prefer him over Tyler Warren, just because they are different types of players. Loveland is much more like LaPorta.

If you believe in a player, and they are ranked 17 on your board, and you take them at 10 because none of the players from 10 to 17 fit your needs, its not really a reach to take him. Personally, I have Banks ranked a lot higher, and I fear so do other teams in the top 10.

KJ has that too, and hes faster. my biggest concern with KJ is that on pretty much every play Ive seen, his blocking was immaculate. You gotta love the way KJ runs forward, and hits the hole fast, and is able to cut and shift without losing any forward momentum (contrast with Hampton who needs three steps to cut!) but if Im being honest, I dont know how KJ looks without blocking. I can look to his contact balance when he gets hit, which is excellent, and his quick decisions and vision as positive traits. But Iowas OL did a really good job.

Even without quitting Edmunds has failed to live up to his massive potential, both here and in Buffalo. He has this year to show otherwise in a new scheme, but he is on a prove it or lose it probation. Im not betting against him, but he has to show it this year.