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I think the first three picks will be (in no particular order) HB, DL/S, OT Either: R1 Banks R2 Kaleb Johnson R2 DE, DT or S OR R1 Jeanty R2 Ersery R2 DE, DT or S OR R1 DE or DT R2 Ersery R2 Kaleb Johnson

sure does! Also sadly, a WR prospect killed himself the other day. Kyren Lacy. I was looking at him too. Man crazy shit happens.

For sure. He's done a great job being disciplined and using that wasted year to a long term sustainable outcome, rather than blowing it all early. I think the staff is gonna help a lot with player evaluations, and Poles can be the cap / money / future guy. Perfect.

The Eagles rode Saquon Barkley pretty hard, but even they split carries. I think all teams do, even with feature backs. Saquon got 345 carries Hurts ran it 150 times Other HBs ran it 108 times So even just among HBs, Barkley carried it 76% of the time. 1 out of 4 it wasnt him, not even counting the Hurts carries, WR end arounds etc. So I think you can have a feature back, and still rotate guys in and out to keep them fresh, or "have weapons" Gibbs 250 Carries Montgomery 185 carries Between Gibbs and Monty, Gibbs carried it 57% of the time. If you take Jeanty, you're still gonna give it to other guys. If you take Kaleb Johnson, you're definitely going with a rotation.

now that there's a separate thread, I'll cut and paste this here from the other one. good! He's an impact player, and it's not THAT much money. Has anyone ever heard that term "slot corner" before rather than "nickel back"? Maybe it's schefter's way of saying the deal transcends nickels, and recognizes him as a corner. Because Gordon's $13.3M a year is nowhere near HOU Derek Stingley Jr $30M/yr CAR Jaycee Horn $25M/yr MIA Jalen Ramsey $24.1M DEN Patrick Surtain $24M/yr MIN Byron Murphy $22M/yr GB Jaire Alexander $21M/yr ATL AJ Terrell $20.25M/yr CLE Denzel Ward $20.1M/yr NE Carlton Davis $20M/yr BAL Marlon Humphrey $19.5M/yr In March of last year, Jaylon Johnson signed a 4 year $76M contract ($19M/yr)

good! He's an impact player, and it's not THAT much money. Has anyone ever heard that term "slot corner" before rather than "nickel back"? Maybe it's schefter's way of saying the deal transcends nickels, and recognizes him as a corner. Because Gordon's $13.3M a year is nowhere near HOU Derek Stingley Jr $30M/yr CAR Jaycee Horn $25M/yr MIA Jalen Ramsey $24.1M DEN Patrick Surtain $24M/yr MIN Byron Murphy $22M/yr GB Jaire Alexander $21M/yr ATL AJ Terrell $20.25M/yr CLE Denzel Ward $20.1M/yr NE Carlton Davis $20M/yr BAL Marlon Humphrey $19.5M/yr In March of last year, Jaylon Johnson signed a 4 year $76M contract ($19M/yr)

I agree. Id love to see KJ in a Bears unifomr, and it would be thrilling to see Jeanty in a Bears uniform too!

I think KJ is a 3 down back. He's not the speediest, but he is fast enough to break away. He hits the holes quick, doesnt dance around, and is always moving forward. He's also got a super clean lateral shift, that leaves unblocked defenders with nothing but air, and it doesnt seem to slow his forward progress down when he makes those cuts. That's really impressive. I guess my biggest concern with KJ is that on all his big runs (and there are plenty of them) the blocking all looks really clean. Iowa did a great job up front, and so Iw ish there was more film on him when the blocking fails and he still makes something of it.

Yeah, KJ is great! I also think the idea that a HB will be a home run hitter isn't necessary. The purpose of a HB is to move the chains, and force the defense to come down into the box, influence safeties away from coverage, and open up play action passes. Id take 5 15 yard carries in a game over one 75 yard carry. And KJ DOES break runs all the time. It's OK if he gets chased down.

I think we are all overlooking Kaleb Johnson. He's my #2 back after Jeanty, and I think we can get him in the 2nd round. I think it goes 10 Banks 39 Kaleb Johnson 41 BPA of DL, S, WR or TE

yeah,m its one thing to draft a HB with a high pick, and another to pay that second contract.

yeah but Barkley didnt fail to get a deal from the Giants because he was ground down, he played really well for the Eagles this year, no lost step, it's just the Giants are poorly run and have cap issues.

I can make a case that Jeanty is far above the other HBs in this draft, or most drafts. That doesnt necessarily mean that we should take him at 10 though - thats a different question, and involves other players, our needs etc. But Jeanty isnt too small, there are other backs in the league that are similarly sized and doing well. I would just say that rather than looking at numbers, watch his tape. He is shifty as hell, and can switch holes in an instant. He's elusive AND punishing, and it's very hard to get him down. Whoever gets him will get a real star at HB. If it's us, I will be excited, but of course I think we should be disciplined and take the LT instead.

If they draft Banks, it will be to play LT. If he fails there, he might end up as a guard, but if they draft him it's hoping he will be the LT for the next 10 years.

me too - and he doesn't need an elite long ball to be great. if he makes his reads, and gets the ball out fast, he will win a lot of games with this roster. I do think we still need a real WR3.

Yeah, well we are all just guessing. Im just saying I get that you're doing something a little different - trying to predict - instead of saying who you would take if it was your choice. Theyre related, but not the same thing, and so Im reading what you write through that lens. Which is cool.

I do note the fundamental difference between what most of us are saying, and what you are saying. We are mostly saying who we want, what the bears should do, while you are more predicting what you think they WILL do. And what's interesting about that is that we could disagree and both be right. I could want banks, and be "sure" that's the right move, and you might predict they take Jeanty (or whoever) and they do that. One difference is that unless they take the guy I want, I can never "prove" I was right, at least not for a few season and see how the players turn out int he NFL, and that's still not proof, because a guy could do well on one team, and bust out on another. Whereas we will all know if you were "right" or not, because we will all see who the Bears actually do pick. That's a blessing and a curse for sure, but you could be able to say "see I was right" whereas me arguing that Im right Banks is the right pick is much harder to prove, even if we take him. But anyway, I do note the difference, and respect it.

Bad news for Carr for sure, good news for us though!

hope so! Its something I saw a lot of in his college tape too. But I look at Tom Brady, and contrast his early tape, looking Montana-esque, spreading the ball around, making quick reads, but not particularly known as a long ball guy, vs Moss era Brady, where he was throwing dimes 65 yards downfield. So there is hope!

I would love to agree with this, but Lambert mostly repackages what other people say in tweets and interviews. I havent seen him claim anonymous inside sources in a while. But the overall point is well taken, you hear everything but Banks out there in the twittersphere - maybe because if youre gonna say something the narrative behind Campbell and Momebou is strongest, or maybe because people are being tight lipped.

yes that's it exactly. How many teams passed on Randy Moss, or Warren Sapp. I mean you gotta do your homework. You dont need angels, but you want to be sure youre getting Randy Moss and not Antonio Brown of course.

both. he needs coaching. he needs to see the play in rhythm, and he needs to be confident about when he should be looking long, and when he should be moving the chains. there are also a lot of plays where he did see the field, and got the ball out fast. so he has shown examples, bt I think on some plays, he wasnt confident in how the whole thing works. Johnson will be a great teacher for him in that way. And also, one real complaint I have about Williams, is that his long ball accuracy sucks. Fields threw a much better long ball, and so does Jaden Daniels. I'm not sure it's a big problem, and QBs like Tom Brady have increased their distance and accuracy quite a bit over time. So it is something you can improve, but I think it's Caleb's biggest weakness.

Green is a BEAST btw. We all don't talk enough about him I think.

Yeah, I dont think this time of year anyone has any clear view of what Poles will do. I believe stories that leak out 3 months after the draft possibly, but not now here weeks before the draft. Poles himself must have a pretty good idea, but still doesnt know, and cant control who gets picked ahead of us anyway. Some small facts might leak out; if they went to dinner with a player, or a player tweets something etc But Lamberts page right now is all rumors, and they are fun, but taken all together, we are absolutely drafting 15 different players at pick 10 LOL And Lambert NEVER says Banks LOL It's always Campbell or Membou. So screw him! LOL

Yeah, I get it too. I've fooled around with a few mock drafts, with the assumption that we dont need an OT, and there are a LOT of great players out there at 10 that could really help us. Jeanty would be amazing to have. There are DTs, WRs, Edge rushers, that could really make us hard to beat. Imagine Jeanty in a Bears uniform. I get the seduction of it. My buzzkill inner voice says "Dude, be disciplined and take Banks if he is there" and that makes sense to me, but its a little boring, I get it. Imagine drafting WR Golden, or the DT from Michigan, or many of the other top 15 players - it's hard not to see what Jeanty could do for this team. So I see the attraction, even for the Bears coaching and personnel staffs. I am sure Poles has had that warm feeling of Jeanty being the next great back for Chicago. Hard not to. But for me, I take Banks (if hes there) and then try to get Iowa HB Kaleb Johnson with one of our 2nds, and then the other one goes to help on defense, or a pass catcher be it WR or TE. It sure would be nice to see Jeanty, or Golden, or a monster on defense, and if you believe in Jones and Amagadje, you get to add that stud to our team. Then again, check out Kaleb Johnson's tape. He's really good. He's my HB2. And he could well be there at pick 39.