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oh thats true, but what I said here was that the league doesnt value him, not what I think about him. And it was a response to your argument that the others got signed because there was no draft capital involved. Because you like Fields as a QB. Yes, we get it. Believe me, we all know! i.e. it's ok for me to stay in the discussion just like you. But to the POINT, every year around this time, teams spend draft capital to trade for players. So that's not it. They just don't want Justin at any kind of price that values him, or they'd have made moves for him.

yeah, except if people thought Justin was great, theyd have been willing to spend more and hed be signed.

I think it would be a mistake, but as long as you draft Caleb, it's not a fatal mistake. I could live with it. I just think it will make problems. I've surely been saying, I dont like Fields as a QB and I dont want him on the team, but it isnt getting rid of Fields that is so necessary, it's getting that rookie QB that is. I still dont think they keep Fields, but as long as they draft that guy, fine.

ok well I cant really debate what you said. youre certainly right that she probably doesnt have her finger on the deep pulse. Im not putting her forward as any kind of expert, but i do think she got a sense of the general feeling about Fields. The only reason i used her as an example the other day was to say that im not the only one who thinks it's obvious that Justin isnt great. I think outside of Chicago a lot of people think that. So her strong reaction to not even believing the question was real I thought was an example of that, but certainly not that everything she says is gold or anything like that. Youre right that we are both speculating. i cant argue that. I do think if Poles doesnt draft a rookie QB high in this draft it will be a huge mistake. Trading from #1 to #2 for some reason I dunno. I like Williams the best, but if they take someone else, i will watch more film on them. If they just roll with Fields though, that's not gonna work out. I am morally certain of it.

right - too rich. Im happy with the guy weve got even though we will probably have to draft his replacement next year.

all she did there was pass on that the other person had said that. Do you think when she says she went to the combine and met with GMs and NFL people and asked them and then said what they told her, that she was lying? Again, she didnt ask teams that are in this game, she asked league wide. The market for Justin is weak. To think otherwise youd have to think that a bunch of teams REALLY want Fields bad, but are holding back to get the lowest price while these teams are signing QBs before Fields. So if they wanted Fields, why didnt they trade for him?

nope LOL I think there are a few on this board deep in the JF Kool Aid, but reality is pretty apparent to the rest.

I totally understand you, and you and i both agree on things like how important a good OL is etc. We really are aligned on that. The only difference we have is that I think it's all exhibition unless you have that world beater QB. I think without one, you can be a playoff team, and possibly sneak into a superbowl victory with a lot of luck, mostly relating to the leagues world beater QB not making it that year, but unless youve got that guy at QB, you're not realistically in the hunt. And I think most years there just isnt one available. And every now and then one does come along, and usually your team isn't in position to get them. But right now, we have a shot at one. Now I cant say he IS one of course, i agree with you again there, but I think he has a good chance to be one, and so you gotta take a swing at it. None of that defeats anything you say about building a roster either, although I think Poles is well on his way to that, and by September you might even be happy with the state of the offensive roster too. I expect another free agent OL, and either a stud LT or a stud WR (or Bowers) with the #9 pick. probably an interior rookie OL to compete with what we've got too. We added a running back today too, so the 2024 Bears QB should have a lot of support.

no you dont understand. GMs of teams NOT in the hunt for a QB give their opinions on Fields off the record. Multiple reporters said when they asked around that was the prevailing sentiment on Fields. I wouldnt ask Washingtons Gm for example, but you could ask the Chiefs GM that question. The thing is, you only care about facts that support your narrative. Thats why youre so confused about all of this - youre not thinking it through, youre just reaffirming your own bubble.

he had a hamstring in 2022 - thats not a concern, nor is it anything that w0uld show up on a medical.

100% and it wouldnt stop GMs from giving their opinions too, and around the league that is that Justin isnt good.

Greg Gabriel is full of crap. He says he knows secret bad things about Caleb but wont report on them. OK I know secret bad things about Justin too - and if you knew them WOO BOY youd want him gone. So many bad secrets about Justin, but I just wont say them. Right.

LOL Imagine thinking you have a franchise QB but now youre gonna keep Fields because you have to wait a month for medicals on a guy whos never been injured. Some people just dont know how the world works.

exactly

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it would bring us a crappy QB.

Reporters are asking GMs around the league what they think Fields trade value is. You oscillate between telling us no one can know anything, and then other times you say things you are sure of that you couldnt possibly be. Youre all over the road.

thats how I see it too

all the reporting is that the market is soft for Fields. There are dozens of stories saying that. Youre just in denial dude.

I think they aren't as high on Herbert as we are?

I just read that we signed him to a 3year $24M deal - not bad at all! EDIT - oops Dawhizz you beat me to it!

I disagree. The NFL is a QB league, and in truth if you dont have one of the top 2 QBs, your only chance of winning a superbowl is to get lucky in a year where one of those top 2 dont make it. If you dont have a top 2 QB you have zero chance to win multiple superbowls - it just isnt a plan. Now I agree with you entirely that football is the ultimate team sport, and a QB cant do it alone. You need an OL and WRs and a defense etc. But there are ways to build a roster that dont require trading down the #1 pick overall. I see Poles stacking the defense, and i think he will put more talent on the OL and get new WRs too this year. And all of that works if you have a GREAT QB - and the only way to have on of those is to draft someone like Caleb, develop them, and have a little luck too - but not so much luck. He's a pretty good bet.

every interview done by reporters at the combine with teams around the league is telling us in strong terms that the league is not as high on Fields as some fans seems to be. And that makes sense given what he put on tape.

the problem is that its a recipe for mediocrity. youre saying instead of swinging for a big win, you want to swing a bunch of smaller times, some will miss and some will hit - so you have a better chance of not losing it all, but you also have a lesser chance of winning big. It's like buying every lottery ticket, you cant lose, but you spent so much to buy them all that you dont win either. When you take all the risk out, you end up with a more likely middle outcome. We have a shot at a top QB, which is everything int he NFL, and because it's not a 100% shot, you want to buy insurance and lose a chance at winning. So the question is, in the NFL, is it better to reliably go 9-8, or is it better to try to win a superbowl?

Yeah he looked really smooth in that film. I want that guy to be our QB. I watched the all 22 Alabama game too and he was incredible in that one. I cant find it not behind a paywall though. Even the Notre Dame game which was his worst, you can see he picked himself up after the half and came back strong. I think he has everything we need in a QB.