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right. but it can be described all in one thing. it's a lack of discipline. we are also lacking personnel awareness. not helping Amagadje for example. that's all on coaching. And yes a lot of the players are not giving maximal effort either. but again thats discipline. Caleb needs to learn to read the field faster and get the ball out too. That's been getting worse. hopefully good coaching will fix that too.

holding, drops, not reporting. Someone tell me we just need an Xs and Os guy like Johnson. LOL. Vrabel will actually spank some people. We are a bad team with a better roster.

LOL Im not actually a pessimist. Youll see when we are good. Im actually a really positive person. THe reason I think players and coaches are bad isnt because Im quick to hate, its because theyve been awful.

because our coaches are terrible.

I thought of you when it happened. I hope so too.

until he got destroyed and gave up a quick sack fumble. ugh. Good to see we didnt lose anything with Braxton out. Amagadje can give up a bull rush just as well.

on a brighter note, Amagadje is looking really good.

or punt with more than 12 min to go int he 1st in a tied game from your own 40. The defense stopped them - Thomas literally just gave them 3 points. It's malpractice. SO dumb. Hey Nagy/Eberflus/Thomas, I'll bet you on a coin flip. If I win I get your house, if you win I'll give you $20.

Glad to see we are still going for it when we shouldnt - Thomas just got eliminated from any head coach consideration in my mind. ANY pee wee football coach knows better. EVERYONE on this board knows better. What the hell.

damn i gotta say, all the fans in white, and the vikings in all white - its awesome and kind of intimidating.

Im for Vrabel. If we take Johnson, I wont complain or predict failure. THe worst I can say about Johns is he isnt proven, and I have concerns, but i dont think he is desitned to be bad, so I wouldnt complain, id just be concerned. To me Vrabel is the right choice, but it's not like hiring Johnson is a sure fail. It just takes more hope i guess.

dude between this and Vrabel, you're starting to sound like me hahahaha

narratives and media are often far off of reality. If you win games, they notice. But they arent truth tellers, they're narrative chasers. They'd rather talk about if someones father was a champion arm wrestler for example, or whether someone paints their nails than arm angles and mechanics. That's just what sells to the masses. But it doesnt take the place of actual analysis. If we start winning, theyll unfairly talk well about us too LOL

I understand the idea behind offensive continuity, but I also think it's important to get a head coach. If we could land Shanahan or someone like that, then I am all for it, and i see the advantage of an offensive mind. But Im not willing to give on the head coach aspect just to lean toward someone who is an OC. I think Vrabel has the head coach stuff for days, but he also understands offense. Just like no one would say that Belichick doesnt understand offense, even though he comes from the defensive side of the ball as a player. At least Vrabel WAS a player! I've heard him mic'd up coaching in training camp for the Titans and talking about run fits and angles and stuff - he clearly understands how the offense works. Also, as a LBer, he had to understand the running game and the passing game. LBers and Safeties have that where maybe defensive linemen and corners dont as much? Anyway, I think Vrabel is more of a well rounded guy than Eberflus or Fox were, and he understands offense enough to pick guys on the offensive staff that share a certain philosophy (whatever that is for him) and will keep continuity. So all thing being equal, I would prefer and offensive guy, but I dont think that is more important than getting a real head coach, and Vrabel really is one.

right. HC, and the lines are our needs.

adam, thanks again for the many awesome stats you compile here. I wouldnt see these anywhere else.

Or depending on how the evaluation goes, Kiran could be swing tackle, and a rookie could be the LT too. But if Amagadje shows good work in these last games, that would be a bright spot going into next year.

I wonder if having nothing to play for puts them in a more cautious mode

Jones has a concussion issue. Kiran Amagadje is available, as is Larry Borom. First and foremost, I worry about Caleb. I want him protected. No point in getting him injured now. But I'd be lying if I said I wasnt interested to see Amagadje out there showing what he's got. Hopefully both are possible at once, and Amagadje shows us something. But if it's one or the other, of course I'd lean toward protecting Caleb. And it's not like Borom is any sure thing. If things get ridiculous, I wouldn't be averse to seeing Bagent out there if things get hairy just to make sure Caleb is OK.

I think it comes down to basically Vrabel or Johnson. Johnson might have the juice to be a great head coach, but no one knows for sure. His Xs and Os are great, but like McVey, when you completely baffle the league (which RARELY happens, cough Nagy) it only lasts for like 12 weeks until a few teams demonstrate how to handle it. Then it comes down to something other than innovation. Does Johnson have that? I dunno. I cant say he doesnt, but it's a gamble. maybe in a few years we will all know he was great, but you don't know that right now. Vrabel is a proven commodity. he's a real leader, hes competitive, he's inspiring and intimidating, and he has super bowl rings. He is a real coach and you dont have to guess at that. On the flip side, it means your offense is coming from a coordinator. Not that Vrabel doesnt know offense, because he does - especially the running game, and particularly the blocking for the running game. but yes, we will have to have a good OC. And yes, if we win, we will have to go through OCs. But Vrabel klnows enough to know when to overrule the OC "dont get fancy, just run this down their throats" And he can probably smell nerdy BS that wont work form a mile away. I trust Vrabel to pick an OC more than poles or Warren! And more than i trust Johnson to pick a DC! For me, all that makes Vrabel the right answer. Johnson isnt a bad answer, hes just more risky. Both will insist on an offensive line. So it's just down to who Poles or Warren pick. And either are good picks, but i think one is the right pick, meaning Vrabel. Poles and Warren dont need to be geniuses, or reinvent the wheel. They just need to call Vrabel, and then sit back and take the credit. Oh, and get to work on finding the right OL.Vrabel will help them with that too. If Vrabel has a GM he wants to bring in, let him

yeah I just read it too - amazing. Says everything, and it's hard to come away after reading that thinking that Poles is someone you can depend on. Thanks for making me look for it! That archive.is/ trick is amazing for all kinds of things. any article on any topic thats behind a paywall - some research papers too.

yeah, and that is such a scathing indictment of our team, because it shouldn't be the case at ALL. They do have access to all kinds of information and interviews that we will never have, and they still cant get it right. I hate the idea that the mccaskeys have to sell the team before we can get better, and maybe we can find the right GM and coach to work around them, but they sure have been an obstacle, and maybe they really do need to be gone before we can be a real franchise. It's WAY too late now, but why the hell did I have to become a Bears fan when i was a kid? LOL

right, and also that someone who is "pretty good" is a guy you keep in business, but a guy you fire in the NFL

here ya go. you can pretty much read ANY webpage that has a paywall if you just type "archive.is/" right before the www part here's a condensed link https://archive.is/xbZWJ

yeah well, 15 years in the making... you were definitely right.