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theres also that punter who was amazing in college but wasnt acquired by a team last year because of an accusation of rape that turned out to be bogus. If hes available, id say lets get him!

I think WR in the first round is likely. But Im not sleeping on OT or DL either

for sure

Yeah I have mixed feelings. I'd personally LOVE to see it, but if it's a distraction, I'd rather avoid it.

THIS is a dumb post Literally ALL of it is wrong. And im not even gonna bother correcting it anymore.

If i think it's dumb, then Ill say so? I think we are in an amazing place, and I'm very excited about Williams. No one held back telling me I was wrong about Fields, I dont see why i should hold off saying people are wrong about Williams when they are? It's just football talk.

its good luck indeed.

It really does feel that way.

I totally agree. We are doing this the right way.

Fact #3 was "no one can predict what the future holds for Fields or Williams." So I agree with what youve written here, and I've said it on here many times. That's why I used the word "prospect" Of course not. We can talk about any player. For example we will want to know who the Vikings are taking too, because we are gonna face them twice a year. It's the idea that we shouldn't draft Caleb that I think is weak. If you're not saying that, then I surely didn't write that about anything you've said. I earned the right to say it after all the crap I took for 6 months about Fields. I was right. He sucks. Everyone was telling me I couldnt possibly know that, and he needed more chances and all this crap. And I just stayed with my opinion. I knew what I saw, and when the smoke cleared, i was right. No one said they were wrong or sorry, so I don't mind pointing it out. But if you think I am claiming that I discovered Caleb Williams, that is crazy. I don't know what to tell you, but I'm not thinking what you think I am thinking. In fact, I've said many times that I dont think Im so smart or have any secret sauce or anything, but the film just screams Fields sucks and Williams is an excellent prospect. Again, I think anyone could see it if they looked. If you take that to mean that I think I created the NFL, I dont know what to say. I just watched film. And it wasnt hard to see. This isnt rocket science, so when I was confident in what I saw, I dont know why you or anyone would be so offended by it. But it is what it is. Ah but they are. 1) Justin Fields is not a good NFL QB. Look at his trade value. Look at how no one in the league wants him as a starter. The operative word here is "IS" I cannot say how he might grow in the future. 2) Williams is the best QB prospect in the draft, and the best seen in a while. I dunno how anyone could rebut that. You can see it on tape, and you can read it everywhere. I'm excited about him! We should be doing cartwheels, instead we are whining about narratives like wearing a dress for a GQ photo shoot. They told him to wear it. I'ts GQ. It was a modelling gig. Pretty high level too. It's like hating an actor because of a character they played. When we should be cheering our butts off about this. 3) No one can predict what the future holds for Fields or WIlliams You just admonished me for not thinking this, while failing to see that I had written it AND simultaneously declaring it "not a fact" - it is a fact though. And it is what I think too. So again, I have no crystal ball, so when you tell me i think I do, I think you might not be reading what im writing. 4) Williams is a much better bet than Fields right now. This is also a fact. Willaims is about to be the #1 pick int he draft, and Justin is a backup in Pittsburgh. Williams is ascending, Fields is stagnating at best right now. OK, so I had the respect to answer your points, but i think it's time for me to say, that while all the helpful advice on how I should think, talk and behave myself is SO greatly appreciated, I think Im done hearing it. I'll continue to think what i think, and if that upsets people, then they will just have to find a way to deal with that.

OK, so Im not un-relaxed. Youre telling me Im pissing you off. Im not saying anything about you. To me the phrase "plays quarterback the best" means processing and reading defenses. It is a really important skill that Fields doesnt have, but Caleb does. Daniels doesnt have it but McCarthy does. I think McCarthy has a better chance to succeed in the NFL than Daniels for this reason, so I agree. But I dont take it to mean that McCarthy is the best overall prospect, or that we should pick him over Williams! As for needing to be right, I'm just arguing my side, or participating in the discussion like everyone else. Every time someone makes an argument or a point, they're trying to say something right I hope. And I dont think Im some super smart better than everyone person either. Im just right about Williams, and Im right along with pretty much every sportswriter and NFL pundit now too. So its not like I have some secret sauce that makes me better than anyone. Im just seeing that Williams is clearly the best prospect. Because he just is. But on this board Im reading weak stuff about Williams crying, and McCarthy might be the better QB prospect and lots of other dumb stuff. I think it's still left over Justin emotional stuff. Whatever it is, it's fringe compared to what you read everywhere now. I was early on that bandwagon because I watched the tape rather than read writers, but now the media narrative has solidified, and caught up to where I was. If that pisses you or anyone off, there's not a lot I can do about it. FACTS: Justin is not a good NFL QB Williams is the best QB prospect in the draft, and the best seen in a while No one can predict what the future holds for Fields or Williams Williams is a much better bet than Fields right now none of that has anything to do with me?

The article said he was the best at reading defenses, at "quarterbacking" But I dont get why youre mad that Im participating in the discussion? Why disagreeing is "Wearing everyone out" Seems weird to me.

He didn't say that he was the best prospect, he said he was the best at "quarterbacking" meaning reading defenses. It didn't account for athleticism or anything else. I agree with Harbaugh too. I think Williams and McCarthy are the two NFL ready QBs. I just dont know if McCarthy has the ahtletic skills he will need at the next level. But if he thrives I will not be surprised. I think he has a better chance to translate to the NFL than Jayden Daniels for example. And as for the rest, you're the one sharing all this anti Caleb stuff about him crying, and now this. It's obvious that you don't like Williams. And I just don't understand why. Is it still about Justin? Because whatever you feel about Justin Fields, that isn't Williams' fault. Williams is just the most complete prospect int he draft, and the most compete prospect in many years. It jumps off the tape to me. We must watch football very differently I guess. The way we evaluate Fields and Williams being so opposite. I think we can see now that I was right about Fields, and hopefully it wont be long until we can all see i was right about Williams too. And it's not rocket science. I'm not seeing some really deep secret anything. It seems obvious to me, and most sportswriters, and NFL people. That's why I'm so surprised you don't see it too? The guy is awesome.

I think he said he was the best QB at Michigan. So he's talking about college careers and pro days. Not including NFL performances. And he's saying McCarthy is the best reading defenses, not the best athlete. I am convinced that had we signed Harbaugh, we'd still be taking Williams. I don't know why you don't see it, but you don't. You keep doubling down on this anti Caleb stuff, and you're gonna feel really silly when Caleb is the best QB in Bears history.

I think that at this point it's kind of obvious to us, to the rest of the league etc. He didnt name WRs or Oline or even which DL he likes, so hes not giving away too much, but at this point, it's all pretty clear what the scenarios are.

for sure, it comes down to who falls, what our grades are on various guys and what people are offering.

well said, and i agree. If Williams comes here and sucks, I will be among the first to say we need to move on from him. This isnt some player love - it's just the guy is a monster on film. I have noticed that the same people who are going so hard after Williams were the ones who were in love with Justin long after it was obvious that he wasnt a starter quality player. I think it's all emotional - and it's too bad too, because this guy could well be the best QB the Bears have ever had, and all some people can think to do is tear him down. It's crazy.

Justin wasn't hunting bigger plays, he was unable to see it and pull the trigger in time. Williams is a whole other animal from Fields. Mahomes makes off angle throws too, but it's not as if Williams (or Mahomes) does that unless he has pressure. When he has a clean pocket, Williams' delivery is as clean as anyones ever. His throwing motion is impeccable.

well at the time, I think people misread me and thought I was acting like I'm such a tough alpha that I looked down on men hugging each other. And here now you're calling out a kid's toughness who has undoubtedly worked harder and given more to his craft than any of us could imagine. I just think it's stupid. It's playground bully logic (not saying you are one!) and if he was exhausted and crushed that he couldn't make his dream real no matter how hard he played - the guy put up 42 points and still couldnt win. I want someone who cares that much. And I dont think he is soft at all. I think he is a champion in the making. He isnt soft and entitled - he just wants it SO bad. Mike Ditka broke his hand once punching a hole through a chalkboard because he was angry his offensive line wouldnt open a hole there in that play. We are so freakin lucky to have this guy, and all we can do is complain. I dont think it's Caleb that's entitled.

well Brady cried when he saw his dad at the Superbowl? Maybe now that the tables have turned you can see that I wasn't saying Poles was a pussy for hugging Fields, but just getting too close to be impartial. I love coaches hugging players. I think this is nonsense. The guy has a heart and he cares. He's gonna come here and kick ass like no Bears QB ever, and then we can see if he is tough or a baby. I dont think you're gonna question his toughness after you see him play in blue and orange.

Here's a few crying heroes from that list (crying in sports not in life): Mike Tyson https://www.sportscasting.com/why-mike-tyson-cried-before-every-fight-of-his-illustrious-career/ Deion Sanders TOm Brady crying about where he was drafted Walter Payton cried when he wasnt drafted higher https://www.cnn.com/2011/10/31/opinion/pearlman-walter-payton/index.html Im sure there are more examples too, but a quick google made the point i think?

Payton cried that he didnt get a TD in the superbowl. Sometimes when people care a lot, they get emotional when they are physically exhausted and come up short having given it all on the field?

yes and with a talent like that, if you're thinking you DONT need a 3rd TE, you still want to kick the tires and see if hes SO good you cant pass him anyway too Plus with all these guys, its not just drafting them, but building their file for trades and free agency in a few years too

for sure

like i said, I can say Im not put off by his character, but i cant say what youre talking about in that isnt real. I can make guesses about how it might play out, but they are just opinions. But based only on the tape, he really is special, no?