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Well of course I agree that Fields didn't get support from the team. We haven't had an OL in decades, and I know that's something you couldn't agree with more LOL I don't personally think Fields can see the field in the passing game, but there is no denying he is an incredible athlete with a hell of an arm - his long ball is much better than Caleb's too, and he is a Hester-like runner, although that's a good way to get injured too. But still he is an electric athlete. But I think without being able to read the field, Justin's ceiling is much lower that what Caleb is capable of.

I keep telling you the same thing. just because people that ended up good (like Belichick) failed initially does NOT mean that the majority of people that fail initially will eventually succeed. Most people that fail at that level will never succeed. I am less concerned with being "fair" to Poles than I am to making sure Caleb has what he needs. Also, I have never said a rebuild takes 2 years - what I have said is that if after two years you know someone is not getting it done, you don't have to wait the full 5 to see the result. Flus showed us who he was last year. We should have fired him in the offseason, instead Poles kept him. If Poles wanted to fire him the, and was not allowed to fire him, then whoever said he wasnt allowed to fire him should be removed from football decisions. It's not hard - if you cant see that one of the 6 worst coaches of ALL TIME is fireable after last year, then you have no business making football decisions. And this isn't hindsight. I said this past offseason when Flus returned that if we didn't look good right out of the gate, it would and should cost Poles his job. I said it was a mistake at the time. So far I've been on record saying: Charles Leno sucks Justin Field sucks Waldron sucks Flus sucks Chris Morgan sucks in each case you said it was too early to tell and we should give them more time. Well Caleb doesnt have more time. If we dont get this together fast, Caleb will hold out and demand a trade. This is not the time time for "aw gee, let's give poles more time" it's time for bold action. Bring in some winners and let's go. I dont even really want to give ben Johnson the benefit of the doubt. He might well be an excellent head coach, but we dont KNOW. Get Vrabel, let him suggest his choice of GM and OC, and lets go win.

It's not a moot point. Anything he does is part of his body of work, and part of how you grade his performance. And Poles did not fire Flus during this past offseason where any of us could already see his consistently poor game managament, and how he cost us wins we had in our pocket multiple times. And when you see someone does something poorly and doesn't change, then it is possible to predict that they will do it again int he future, and boy did he this year. In keeping Flus, he basically doubled down on the original decision, and becomes more responsible for it. If you're not so blinded by affection for the team, it is pretty easy to see when people are not doing their jobs, and you don't have to wait so long to move on from them. Talking about Flus, Velus Jones, Nate Davis - none of them should have been in our plans for this year. That's 20% of Caleb's rookie contract window wasted. If as a player* or coach, you're not showing that you're top 5 in the league, the organizationshould have you on the list to be replaced. Obviously you cant turn over an entire roster every year, so sometimes it takes a couple years, like with Braxton, but the GM should already know you arent the long term answer. * rookies and young players making consistent progress excepted.

right. hes not great, hes not terrible. that is reason to be fired in the NFL where 31 teams lose and only one wins the superbowl. If your goal is to be 15th, then keep him, keep Thomas Brown, hire from within and keep on rooting for them to get better. But if you want to chase greatness, you gotta let people go when they show you they arent great. Also, we knew this about Nate Davis too - we read articles about his work ethic back when he was acquired. Everyone knew.

no. if it was clickbait, it would be in the headline in order to bait someone to click. it would be the lead story. it would be the point of the podcast or article. This, on the other hand, was buried in the podcast, quickly addressed with some hesitation and then moved on from. It isnt intended to gain attention, or garner clicks because it was buried, not featured. I believe it was true - or that at least the source they had told them it was true. You can think whatever you want to.

RIGHT. so if the claim isnt in the headline, but instead buried deep inside a conversation, and made as an aside during another topic, then it isnt clickbait. The claim that Poles wanted to keep Eberflus during the offseason while Warren argued against it was made in the middle of a multiple hour podcast, not included in any title, and was made as an aside after asking his partner "should I say this? we really arent supposed to talk about it" and then quickly moved on from. Since youd already have to be listening, and nothing about the comment or topic is advertised or promoted, it cannot be clickbait.

I agree. They act like they have 20 solid years of wins, and instead they are one of the worst franchises in the league. If Warren was really that smart, he'd have done some of this. I really worry about signing Ben Johnson to be head coach. If the Bears open their pocketbooks to pay him top dollar it proves that the problem isn't that they are cheap, it's that they are stupid and insist on having their way.

clickbait, by definition, is a lead story meant to increase engagement. If you dont put it int he headline, if it's buried inside a 2 hour broadcast, and it comes out as a side comment on another topic, it cannot be clickbait. It doesnt make it true, but it definitely means it isnt a lie meant to gain viewers either. because they didnt lead with it. its like a store having a sale, and not telling anyone.

they should have just paid Belichick to spend a week with the franchise and do consulting. You'd know if he was the right guy then, and you'd learn something too. It's a good move, and Waddle and Silvy were saying the same thing today. We are not the sort of organization that wants bad news, so we dont learn or grow.

he actually did. he plucked someone from his brother Jim's front office

I agree with all of this. I think Poles has been OK - let's say a B minus or something. Not bad at all. But not great. In a lot of businesses you keep a guy who's doing that well. But in a super competitive business where the goal is greatness, being mediocre makes you expendable.

I never blame a GM for the cheap moves. They are like lottery tickets. Better to have a bunch of them, but they often dont win.

I agree. He's been a meathead, but id like to see another coach work with him. Im more worried about his coverage falling off than his antics for that reason.

Yeah this was smart. These are the kind of details that Poles does well. I guess any good GM would, but we had some bad ones who never worked this hard on the bottom of the roster.

Let the new coach bring his own GM? I don't hate this idea. It open the door to more powerful and talented candidates who may demand some say in personnel. You might not want to go full Belichick and make the HC also the GM, but it insures that your coach and GM work together toward a vision. We talk about there being a top football guy who should make the football decisions. An experienced head coach can be that guy. And if they come in with their choice of GM as a package deal, then the communication and vision is good, and for once all the contracts are unified. You get the right two guys here, and Caleb buys in and the sky is the limit. https://www.sportsmockery.com/chicago-bears/kevin-warren-is-considering-a-coach-hiring-method-bears-have-never-tried/

there are a few other places an upgrade would be good too; CB (for stevenson), S (for brisker), LB (for edmunds), WR (for allen), TE (for everett & lewis) but until the OL and DL are significantly upgraded (and we need at least 2 new guys on each) it's hard to want to use draft capital on those positions. Of course free agency will change all of this. We will add players at all of those positions before the draft. But still, i think we all agree the OL needs a major overhaul, and we need a couple more pieces on the DL before the defense will work.

hell yes

click the "watch it on youtube" button - its a short and it's worth it. Harbaugh is awesome. https://www.youtube.com/shorts/CuTRqXn59Ew

Id like to see him resign and spill the secrets so no one holds them against him and the McCaskeys finally have to admit they need to change the way they do things or no one will work for them. Also Kevin Warren has no business meddling in football decisions. None.

I dont view everything as black and white. I think Caleb has growing to do, I always say that. I just dont understand why you keep wanting to keep people who have failed right up until they are SO bad that they are historically bad. Let's say you have a QB who is the 15th best in the league. I dont want to pay him like hes a top 5, and i dont want to keep him. My goal isnt to only fire people who are absolutely awful, my goal is to be the BEST, and that means 15th best isnt good enough. You on the other hand, say 15th is better than a lot of people, let's not rock the boat. I say you keep changing it until you get something at least top 5. Poles is not the worst, but he isnt the best, and his coaching choices have been terrible. I dont want him picking the next guy and ruining Caleb's window. As for the roster that Poles has built, a new GM still gewts to keep the players we have under contract, so Im not sure how having a new GM means starting over.

I see Vrabel the same way. I do wish he was an offensive coach, because I dont want Caleb to have to go through multiple offensive coordinators as we have success. But the most important job for a head coach is to be a head coach, and I think Vrabel is really good at it. I wouldnt want to hire a Ben Johnson type who has all the Xs and Os but doesnt seem like a real cultural leader as head coach. Add some players to the offensive line, and bring in someone that knows how to run the football AND open up the passing game and we might have something. I do believe that Vrabel knows how to run the ball.

seems right to me. Sadly.

I think you should read what i said again. It was about the defense, and whether Washington was worse, or whether Shanahan manipulated the same defensive scheme Flus ran. Why you want to keep these losers is beyond me. Also if you think Caleb is the problem, you're way off base. He has growing to do for sure, but he is already the best QB we've ever had.

I agree with all of this! Except for Mark Cuban - but you're exactly right about the structure and job descriptions.

Stability = keep losing the same way. Stability is only a good idea when what you're preserving is GOOD. More and more I'm setting my sights on Mike Vrabel. I'm not 100% yet. I wish he was an offensive guy, but I think he might be the man we need, and have the balls to tell Warren and the rest when they are over their heads. Vrabel knows football, he knows players, hes a proven commodity, hes young enough, hes tough and physical and has the rings to back it all up. We will need an excellent OC for Caleb, and someone in the pipeline behind him for stability IF THEY HAVE SUCCESS and lose the OC to be someones head coach for that reason in the future. But this team needs a real culture, and Vrabel is a proven commodity who can can do that.