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yes Daniels has freakish accuracy on deep balls and is better at that than Williams. Daniels probably has the best arm in the draft, although Penix has a rocket too, and Williams is no slouch, but Daniels and Penix just flick it. The point in the Williams film was just that he doesnt hold the ball like they said he does. He makes fast decisions and gets the ball out. And Daniles does too, but only if the primary receiver is open, which he often was with those two studs at WR he had.

well watch some film and see if what Im saying is mostly true or mostly not true. If all you can do is compare the pedigree of the people making the statements, then you miss the opportunity to take what Im saying, and not believe it or disbelieve it, but instead evaluate the truth of it with your own eyes. Watch 30 snaps and see if you see his head moving, or if he locks onto receivers. Nothing is 100% either way of course, but youll see what Im saying is true a lot of the time with Daniels. But basically Im not asking you to trust me or take what i say on faith, more to use what Im saying as questions that you answer yourself with your own eyes. Thats what I do, I hear different opinions, and then I watch the tape. It becomes pretty clear after that. I dont always think Kurt Warner is that good at the analysis. He knows a lot more than I do about NFL quarterbacking, but when i watch his tape he says things that i sometimes see differently. I am much more aligned in general with what JT OSullivan thinks. I usually agree with what he sees. Not always, but usually. But it doesnt matter, we can all use our own eyes to evaluate assertions like the one I made. I'll watch the Warner film and take time stamped notes about how often he: turns his head throws to a second read runs and then you can watch each play and tell us honestly whether you saw his head turn when I say it didnt or vice versa. Theres a stripe right on top of it - it's not subtle, we will all see it when we look. it doesnt take a PHD to see if a guy locks on to the WR from the snap, or looks around.

ok this is all well said. I see what you mean. i dont agree with it in every circumstance, and it's a matter of degree, but its a good point youre making.

lol well I hate that word too, and the best I can say is that hes a great prospect with a generational ceiling. There is still every chance that Waldron could ruin him too. And Im not saying that because i have anything bad to say about Waldron, Im actually very optimistic about him, but I was also excited for Nagy, so I guess we just have to wait and see what actually happens. But yeah, I think Williams has as good a chance as we've ever had to be that GOAT type QB.

well, just think about it logically. If Poles got a 3rd round offer (thats an IF, I dont know what his offers were) and accepted a 6th round offer instead because he wanted to be nice to Fields and give him his choice of team, then he would be choosing what's best for Fields over what's best for the team. And that was precisely my concern with the hug. I'm glad it didn't go so far as keeping Fields, but IF that's what happened, how else could you read it but loyalty to Fields over loyalty to the team? You're hugging a guy, and then you're trading him away. It's kind of a mixed message that might make you feel guilty, and say, give up a 3rd round pick to be "fair" to Justin. And why else would you do that, but loyalty to the player over the team?

If Poles gave up a 3rd rounder to make Justin happy, then I was right about the hugs.

if you get a chance to watch game film on Daniels watch how his head never turns. He locks onto his receiver at the snap and stares him down the whole way. He doesnt influence safeties at all. Then he either throws the ball to the guy hes locked on to, in rhythm and with good location for a good play, or he takes the ball down and runs. He just doesnt move his head at all - it's kind of wild. He makes great pre snap reads, and has a great athletic toolbox including a hell of an arm, but unless his first read is open, hes gonna run. And it worked pretty well for him because he had great receivers in college and they were usually open. But you wont see him stand in the pocket and turn his head to influence a safety or look at a second option.

I think due to various circumstances, the average opinion on Williams here on this board is lower than it truly is, and the distance between him and the other prospects is seen as closer than it really is too.

agree with all of that, and i will piggy back on your last sentence to say that we wont get a stud at every one of the positions you listed this year, but we will finish the job next year. And that's why I dont think we will trade down to address all those spots, but look to address some of them with superior talent. Im not sure of this, but it's what I'd do.

LOL thats crazy, and kind of awesome. I do not recommend that poles do this, because i dont think it'd work out, but damn if i KNEW it would end up like that, it'd be insane!

Poles really is killing it as far as the roster goes. We Bears fans deserve this. It's been way too long.

To me Jayden Daniels has a ton of positives, but I do see one glaring negative that i think will prevent him from being elite or possibly even successful in the NFL. It's very similar to the way that Justin had a ton of gifts, but one fatal flaw too. So the positives on Daniels are easy to see: He has an elite arm - makes all the throws with velocity and excellent placement He can run He makes good presnap reads He delivers the ball to his primary receiver on time and in tempo. and to be fair, he has excellent receivers and often the primary receiver is where the ball needs to go. but I also see he NEVER turns his head to look at anyone else. and when his primary receiver is covered, he runs. He also locks on to his primary receiver from the snap, and doesn't look safeties off. So his eyes are not reading more than one receiver, and not manipulating the defense. If he doesnt learn to fix this, then he will be solved by NFL defenses just as Justin has been. However, he's a young guy, and there is nothing written in stone that says he wont develop these skills with next level coaching. He will have his few years to grow, and if he can learn this, then his skill set will bring him a lot of success. But you rarely see people going from never doing something to doing it well. So for me, he is QB4 in this draft behind Williams, Maye and even JJ McCarthy. There is no way I'd take Daniels with a top 3 pick. The good news is that it looks like the Vikings have amassed enough ammo to trade up to pick #3, and he does feel like a Viking QB to me. I'd love to have our zone oriented defense feast on his poor eye discipline and lack of reading ability. Two caveats: 1) I am watching Chase Daniels break him down right now, and Daniels said "he has all the tools and reads defenses well" but all I see are excellent pre snap reads, not moving through progressions, it's as if once the ball is snapped, his neck is fused. 2) Daniels is slight of stature, and while I dont think every good QB has to have prototypical size, if he ends up on the Vikings, I will enjoy Sweat folding him like laundry

Good stuff. also, Allen isn't known a speedster, but as a route runner. Raw speed loses a step after 30, but route running ages like fine wine. We cant expect him to play at 40 like Rice did. But Rice was a route runner too, and there was no way Randy Moss could have played that long, because his game depended on his speed. So I think Allen still has some left in the tank. Maybe even a few years.

from the Hill chart (if that helps) pick #1 = 1000 points pick #11 = 358 points pick #23 = 245 points together they equal 603 points pick #2 = 717 points pick #3 = 514 points. From this one could guess that Minnesota is planning on trading up with NE to the 3rd pick for Jayden Daniels or JJ McCarthy. I hope it's Daniels, because while he has a gun of an arm, Daniels is a one read QB, and he's slight of build so Sweat is going to break him like a twig. IF Minnesota wanted to get up to #2, theyd need 114 more points. Next year's first rounder is probably worth about 130ish points, so they could reach #3 with this years picks, or Dav is right they would need to add in next years #1 to get to #2. But they'd still be nowhere near the regular value of #1 in a normal year, no less one with Williams.

absolutely. this is how you develop players.

exactly right. and too bad, but I wasnt surprised after having watched him all season.

this is ridiculous and twisting to keep a dead narrative alive. Caleb didnt do his physicals for anyone. He didnt blow the Bears off. The Bears wanted something special and Caleb said no, well do it regularly after my pro day. But the idea that Caleb not giving medicals is why Justin didnt get more value? That's nonsense. Poles needed the medical but then traded Fields anyway before the medical? That whole narrativer already was proven false today. Also, Tomlin has told Fields that he is not the starter, and it's not an open competition. And worst of all hes not gonna pick Caleb to avoid a circus - hes going to pick Caleb because hes the best damned QB thats been available in a long time. This isnt all intrigue and smokescreens and double crosses - it was always simple. Justin sucks and the NFL knows it and Caleb is great and the NFL knows it. That's all there is to it. The other scenarios died today. It was always just Justin sucks Caleb rocks.

For sure. Caleb is the best chance this franchise has had to be dominant in a long time. Let's go.

It's not a big deal to me either way, but just for the discussion, apparently Tomlin called Fields and told him his role was as a backup to Wilson for sure. According to one of the big reporter, but I don't remember which one said it. I'll try to find it. I want to say it was Adam Schefter, but I'm not really sure.

yeah I don't know what Poles will do, but what he SHOULD do is take Caleb Williams.

when he takes the Bears to greatness, will you recant this statement?

after saying "there are a handful of things that would scare the shit out of me" he says "I dont know if they are true" which i think is important for context LOL

I think our roster is getting stocked, and it's time to add blue chippers. WR, Bowers, OT or DL with pick #9. We've filled a bunch of holes with stopgaps., and one of those positions is gonna get a big upgrade.

I think Poles is doing pretty good and will do the right thing here. We are in a really good position.

Please God no.