BearFan PHX

right so he's trade bait after the 2026 season rather than getting nothing we could get a second or third - Poles absolutely knows how to play this draft and trade game with the cap. It really makes you realize how mismanaged our team has been for such a long time. I have a feeling that the new Bears era is about to begin.

I agree with you. I don't ever want to bring that up again. I would prefer if people didn't all just take their turns telling me how awful I am for saying "turd" a couple months ago or "delusional" when critiquing an argument being made, and I'm just saying that is in part because they didn't like what went on. But in this case is had nothing to do with you at all. So you're right and this comment of yours wasnt rude or anything. I would prefer to stop talking about it too, and that's fair.

OK I watched it - 20 minutes, and it says so much. There's bad in there too - thats why you have to watch complete games in order and not highlight or lowlight reels. But I encourage everyone to watch this and then be a reporter and tell us fairly what you saw.

take a deep breath. I mean in the NFL Fields hasn't been a winner. As for being nasty, read the tone of what youve just written. you (and others) are coming after me SOOO hard and saying I'm such a bad guy. I'm not. No one in my life feels this way. You're really far off base. But the irony is I'm talking football, the amount of personal stuff here toward me way outweighs anything from me. You might not want to hear this, but the reason you and others are so mad at me is two fold - 1) you cant stand that I'm right about Justin and how sure I am about it and 2) you got a really bad taste in your mouth about when I went after Stinger because I was done having him try to bully me for years and needed to set some personal boundaries. All through that time, I said in almost every post - let's just stop. That's all I wanted. Anyway, When you watch the all 22 full games (not highlights), watch for these things: getting the ball out quick on timing plays when the WR is open making reads, and going through progressions looking off safeties his incredible compact release and body position when he throws ball placement for WRs to gain YAC. what he does when plays break down. Youll also see some super human plays of the type that Justin makes too. What you wont see is Williams standing there indecisive. When you see him move around, watch him work BACK to the pocket and how his movement helps his blockers get position. Not taking off to run like Fields does, although that is also a thing Caleb does well. It's fine if you come away from that game (The Alabama game I cant find a public link to) with mixed reviews on Caleb. Anyone will. But you wont see evidence of the narratives you've read, and you should think about what that might mean in the larger sense of all the sports stuff we all consume. Lemme try to find you a good link. OK... Here is Kurt Warners all 22 breakdown on Caleb vs Colorado. I havent seen it yet. It just came out today, so let's call that a fair test and both watch it. Im sure it wont be perfect. But will it support or dispel the common knowledge narratives?

GREAT NEWS! Bears sign Jaylon Johnson to a 4 year $76M deal ($19M/yr avg) with $54M guaranteed. We got him locked up and he did not break $20M. This is a great deal for us. Lets go!

One way you can tell a cult is that they believe things they have no evidence for, and attack anyone who says they are wrong. Some think I am a horrible person because I wont go along with the crowd saying the King is outfitted in splendor. You read articles about his clothes and how fine they are. But just look at him. He's stark naked. Trust your own eyes, and you will not be angry at me anymore. And dont be offended when someone doesnt respect something you heard someone ELSE say as if you said it yourself. Watch the film. Anyone can do it. And it's clear as day. But if you must follow what others are saying, can you not see that increasingly all the writers etc are going over to the Caleb camp? It's not even a matter of common wisdom anymore since the common wisdom (which is often wrong!) is on team Caleb now too. Don't get stuck doubling down on bad ideas just because you supported them before. If you want the Bears to win, then pick a great QB, or at the very least stop attacking anyone who wants to. I feel NO shame whatsoever for having the opinion I hold, I routinely use facts to back it up and I also think the support for Fields at this point is psychological and not fact based. And it explains all the anger too. That's my opinion. But no matter all of this, I promise you that trying to use peer pressure to change my mind is foolish. Some may crumble under that pressure and submit, but I promise you I have never been that guy. When my eyes see something firsthand, I don't give up on that for someone to like me - that's incredibly weak. I think it's time for you guys to back off.

OK, first thing is that I am not saying every #1 pick QB is going to set the world on fire. What I am saying is you need a top 2 QB in the league to reliably compete for superbowls. I can also say that you are more likely to find that with a top pick. We've broken down all those stats before, so I wont repeat them here. As for you being tired of my opinion, I dont know what to say. Fields has never been a winner, all anyone has for him is excuses. Maybe those excuses are real and he is an amazing QB in the making that just needs support around him, but since he doesnt read defenses, holds the ball too long and is now decoded by NFL defenses, I think passing on an incredible talent like Williams to keep Fields is delusional. That's my opinion. My opinion is also that people are over in love with Fields for some reason, and it clouds their judgement. When you say "save the pettiness" while simultaneously saying that when I say Fields is "a great guy and a terrific athlete" I'm LAZY, then I think that's pettiness too (by YOUR definition not mine) and I dont mind you saying that at all, you dont have to stop - so don't pretend I'm some big meanie for saying "delusional" or "turd." It's just another technique to try to beat me without facts, and it's self serving and false. As for Williams, you just said all you have is what's on paper; just raw numbers. You have to watch the film. I am not super intelligent or smarter than everyone, I've just done the homework, and spent the hours watching the film. Anyone can do it. I'm not special, but I did do the work. I encourage you to watch some all 22 Williams film too and see if the narratives you've read stand up. I would bet that you'll come out of it the same way I did. It's glaring on the screen, and it's not what the sportwriters are/were saying. Williams makes reads, Justin doesn't. Williams throws the ball on time with anticipation and location for YAC, Justin doesn't. Williams meshes with the RB where Justin is lazy with that. Williams' release is incredible and compact, Justin pats the ball and hesitates. Williams stands tall in the pocket with an elongated spine, Justin squats down as he throws. And there is more. As to your point about college ball, Justin Fields was not even in the discussion to be a #1 pick, he was taken at #11, the 4th QB taken - that's what scouts thought about Justin coming out of college. Compare to all the noise about Williams being generational, and I think to say that Justin was a better prospect coming out of college is just factually wrong. Also Fields played on a team with lots of players who are in the NFL, Williams had nothing. And where are the first round draft pick offers to trade for Fields? Why isn't the NFL clamoring to get him on their team? There IS a reason. Teams would reportedly trade a huge haul for Caleb, but hesitate on a second rounder for Fields. But again, that's all just noise. Watch the film. It tells a clear story if you know what to look for, and like I said it isn't rocket science. But here's a real question - how can you be so offended that I don't respect the pro Fields opinion when you haven't watched the all 22? Is it your opinion or did you read it somewhere and attach yourself to it, and now you're defending it like it's your own and my opinion is somehow disrespecting what you READ someone else say? I see how personal everything is getting here, how much the Justin lovers want so bad to tell me off and put me in my place. That's on you guys. And it's ugly. The fact is that Justin is not a good QB, he ranks last or close to last in the league in most measurables, he never had a 4th quarter comeback, he doesn't read defenses or play in structure or tempo, he has a slow release and hesitates to throw. What is the big love all about? The guy is NOT good. But as to the idea that Caleb holds the ball too long, again I ask you to watch the film. Williams isn't running for his life like Fields does, he's manipulating the pocket like Aaron Rodgers does and then finding his receivers. Did he look for too many long throws? Yes for the NFL for sure he did. But then again, he won every game he put up 30 points in. His defense was terrible and he had to score a lot. But there are dozens and dozens of plays where Williams reads and the ball is out quick. The narrative is a lie based on an average timing, with no inclusion of the standard deviation on that number. That means Williams can and does play in tempo and structure all the time. He also manipulates the pocket and creates more time to throw, just like Aaron Rodgers. The guy is going to be the Bears savior, and Justin is gonna flunk out of the league. You can book that. So I'd advise getting on the Williams train so you don't end up screaming into the wind. Reality is calling, just watch the tape with your own eyes and make your own decisions, and Ill bet you'll come back and tell me I was right. Because it's all there to see easily. Just see for yourself. Maybe you'll even be angry at how you were lied to by media. You say "And to compare him [Williams] to how well he’ll measure up to Fields professionally is skeptical at best." Ok you're on record. If Caleb Williams lights it up and takes Chicago to the promised land are you going to say you were wrong? Because if it was your choice, you wouldn't have drafted him, and you're going to have to live with that.

I am looking forward to learning more about him! All the stats are good, but I dont believe anything, positive or negative until I see the film, but that said, I have reasons for optimism based on what I've read for sure. Part of the reason for my delay is I'm waiting for some of my favorite film sources to post their Maye videos. The media sandbags, but a lot of the time they dont even know theyre doing it. They look at some stats, and then a narrative evoleves, and then it just echoes around and often there is no truth to it at all, not because the reporters are lying on purpose, but because they are lazy and didnt watch the tape.

Williams isn't generational or ANYTHING in the NFL yet. What he is is the best prospect coming out of college in many years. Some people are so in love with Justin that they willingly ignore an amazing opportunity right in front of them, which I think is crazy. Great QBs picked #1 overall who won superbowls: Peyton Manning, John Elway, Terry Bradshaw, Troy Aikman, Eli Manning. But if this same old argument is coming around that since Mahomes was picked #10 youre better off drafting at #10 than #1, that is so off base. Im not even gonna go through it again.

the problem is that even with his amazing running ability, NFL defenses have figured out how to make him run into their defenders now that they know they dont have to play his passing game honestly. Green Bay players said as much after his last game. In order for Fields to thrive in the NFL, he will have to show mastery of skills he hasn't shown before. Smart money is that he never does and is out of the league in a few years having never won a playoff game. Sportwriters are exacerbating this problem by feeding the Fields lovers tidbits for clickbait that arent real.

Wilson would be a great vet to start in front of Williams, especially at that price.

If you think Caleb isn't going to set the league on fire, then you absolutely do this. if you do, then I think you still have to draft Caleb.

LOL I havent done my film work on him, and if he IS as good as Caleb and we can get some picks to trade down to #2 and get him, then Im all for it. By next week Ill probably have an opinion on him after looking at film! Im also still interested in learning about McCarthy, Rattler, Penix and a few others, but i can tell you right now that Caleb is the man. And if there are two of them in this draft, thats awesome.

oooo did you just say Shit? I know you have a narrative about me. Nothing I can do about it. I am 100% sure about Justin Fields. I am. Having conviction is OK. Most things I am not sure of, and I say that plainly. But there is a lot of anti Caleb sentiment on this board. I see it, and i said so. That's ok too. The rest is just that you dont like me because of what went on with Stinger. If you want to see a blowhard who is disrespectful, theres a prime example of one right there. But youve got your team. I get it. But it doesnt mean anything. But now that you've revealed how much you dislike me, you can stop pretending that you dont and saying Im imagining it ok? Is that fair? Anyway, it doesnt matter. Justin sucks, Caleb is gonna be great, and if youre not on board, then thats on you. It's the biggest moment in Bears history, and you're off to the side talking about this nonsense. isnt anyone excited to have an actual franchise QB in Chicago?

Just read an article about the cap by Aaron Lemming, and the good news is we have a TON of cap space! He has a long list of high priced and mid priced free agents we can afford to sign! He comes up with abut $39 Million for us after we tag Jaylon Johnson and the rookie pool, so he's including Johnson in the number that begins closer to $60M. for example he signs two additional free agents at over $10M a year and a few more over $5M a year too. Good news for careful readers! https://247sports.com/nfl/chicago-bears/contentgallery/aaron-lemings-chicago-bears-2024-mock-offseason-228202634/#2380055

this is so full of shit I dont know what to say Pix. Do better. Youre seriously actually upset that I used the word "turd" once a few months ago? Really? Seriously? That's your actual stance? Youre NOT trolling? You actually MEAN that? For REAL? LOL Im sorry that doesnt reach your threshold for respect as a person, i cant tell you how much it makes me question myself. LOL You wanna threaten to ban me over this? Thats even weaker. Wow.

you know what's funny Pix? Yesterday you said I was paranoid when I didnt even take the bait. Today its SO clear youre trolling etc I think it proves that when you say Im paranoid, you know youre lying, trying to get in some barbs under the radar while pretending youre not. Well here it is for all to see, and you know what? it doenst make me mad. It doesnt hurt me, it just makes me explain exactly why youre being what you pretend youre not. And when you post things that dont discuss me personally do i attack you? Nope. Im pleasant and take up whatever it is youve written with respect and often agree too. Time to take inventory of yourself my friend. Be the man you want to be or think you are. Dont be a liar and a weak passive aggressive instigator. Have the courage to do what you do upfront and out loud, and then if what that is is something youre ashamed of, then change for the better. If you werent ashamed, you wouldnt try to hide it. I am here for football. Not to get all upset about the word "turd" - what a joke. Oh, and in case people reading dont know it, I called Justin a turd months ago. You and stinger are bringing it up again now to win some sort of points. How silly is THAT?

I've never seen such crybabies. Youre about to get what you always wanted - a championship QB, and this is all you can muster. Pathetic. Get excited!

bullshit. youre just trying to find a way to tag me, and it makes you look bad. Fields IS a turd, and if that language is too harsh for you, maybe you need a nursing home. anyone can see your pathetic passive agressive attempt at bullying here. And it's SO weak dude. So weak. Youre embarrassing yourself. Tomorrow youll be like "oh Im always nice, I dont care for this rough behavior" LOL GTFOuttahere I am sorry that Justin broke your heart, i really am. I wanted him to be good too, but it's time to let go now. Be a big boy, take the loss and move on. Trying to best me about it is a bad way to deal with your feelings. The fact is youre mad that I dont agree with your opinions, but heres the thing, you dont have any! Theyre not your opinions, theyre someone elses opinions you read and repeat. Just watch some tape. Youll probably come out of that agreeing with me. Its not so hard.

I mean, youre trolling. its obvious. You cant really be this stupid. And so if youre trolling, then dont pretend youre the good one and Im the bad one ok? Youre the one trolling. So much dumb. Is it possible to talk about football here or does it HAVE to be your and stingers egos constantly? Im talking about football. Im watching tape and telling you what i see. Does that make you feel like Im arrogant, or is that because you actually dont like someone knowing more than you about something? And its not because Im so smart, its just because I put my butt int he chair and did my homework and watched some tape. You can do that too. Anyone can.

Youre offended that I called Justin Field a turd because he didnt fullfil his potential? Seriously? On a sportstalk site? Youve jumped the shark. And if you want to invoke children, I said turd, not shit. You did, and then stinger did. So, if youre SO worried about it, dont say it. But dont pretend youre being reasonable and Im the big bad meanie - these posts I think reveal that game youre playing to anyone reading.

oh please. this pearl clutching is ridiculous. A piece of shit is much worse than a turd. And you cant win debates by feigning being offended. Please. If you dont know the difference between the two in slang, that is not an insult. This is actually the stupidest and most intellectually dishonest post ever written on this board.

I hear ya.

I dont even know what you mean now. He IS a turd he is definitely NOT a piece of shit. Unless youre pretending you didnt understand what i wrote (ha) and think you can win this with some stupid trick equating the two words as if every single person here doesnt know and use that slang all the time. How lame and dishonest is that? When Caleb lights it up for us, you arent even allowed to cheer because if it was up to you, he wouldnt be here.

oops you beat me to it - exactly.