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its more than wins. Its HOW you win. If you win 10 games, but the team won 4 more that you blew at the end with horrible calls, you shouldnt be coach. You have to look at all the decisions he's made and ask yourself if he gives you an active edge in winning. Right now, it is pretty easy to make the case that he actually costs you games and makes it harder to win. But he sure isnt adding value, so he should be gone. He should have been gone last year to be honest. And not because of his record, we all knew what the problems were that werent his fault. But for the errors HE made, unforced errors that any pee wee coach knows better than to do. That's inexcusable. pro coaches dont make those mistakes, and they sure dont make them over and over.

Yeah, if you could keep 200 players, then yeah, anyone that can play is good for depth at least. But you cant. They take up a roster slot and salary cap room. And remember, bad players have no trade value, only good ones do. When you look at the teams with good rosters, you see them trading away good sometimes great players when they know they arent going to resign them to richer deals. Sure you lose them for a season (or a half a season) but you get something for them leaving instead of nothing, and that helps replace the talent thats going, The real recipe to success in the NFL is to draft well, and trade good players you arent going to pay big before the last year of their current deal. When youre seeing good players go, thats when you know you have a good roster.

lol it'd be funnier if it wasnt so true 😢

yup, absolutelty! and when your offense isnt making first downs, you dont run enough total plays to get everyone their targets either. Thats not meant to be an excuse, because Kmet deserves his % of targets no matter how few you have to spread around, but more of an indictment about how bad this all is, and how not running enough on first down is killing EVERYTHING.

I don't see evidence of Caleb big play hunting? He's been making short and intermediate reads mostly? This is just a leftover narrative from college, but the film doesnt show it? What I see is TERRIBLE first down playcalling without enough runs, and that puts us in 2nd and 12 or 3rd and 10 too often, and thats when Caleb has to make magic happen. And he often does, but you cant make a living going downfield with consecutive magic plays on 3rd down. Its not sustainable, and inevitably we punt (or go for it when we shouldnt). But weve gotten away from the run, and we have too many presnap penalties. And all that goes to coaching. Waldron calls the offense like it's Madden - all passes, and people arent getting open, and the OL cant protect Caleb. Given what he's done in Washington, does anyone doubt a Kliff Kingsbury run offense this year would have been better for Caleb? Im not even saying thats the guy, Im just saying lesser QBs are doing more with better coaches. And we need more on the OL. More talent, and more teaching.

There is a lot of frustration on this team, but before we trade everyone away, lets see what a new coaching staff can do with them. I also felt like DJ Moore was being kind of ignored during all the offseason love for Allen and Odunze. And this after we extended him for all those years. I doubt we can even afford to trade him right now with the cap hit. I also think these guys would be OK if they werent so frustrated. Also, if you watch the whole film i linked to above, you see Caleb was doing everything he could do. Not perfectly of course, but well.

I generally like DJ Moore, but did you see him leave the field in the middle of the play while Caleb was still scrambling around?? go to 6:53

well said. and lack of discipline puts us behind the chains too often, and may contribute to Caleb's big play hunting too. Even something as simple as staying with the running game would help too. 2nd and 7 is really different than 2nd and 12 and the habits that causes are a problem.

it really is. let's hope it's pissing off Poles because he spent so much effort putting together the roster.

I agree with all of this. Like I said before, Tony Dungy would have won this game 17 - 13

all true. we really missed Sweat, but it would have been nice to see some pride, especially from our D tackles all day long. For a while their all their running plays looked like perfect video game examples of perfect blocking. Like it was on a chalkboard. We need to be more disruptive. And at some level, that's a pride thing.

yeah, and I havent watched the all 22 yet, but it didnt look like anyone was open. But the big question - why get away from the run game? It was working pretty well for us. Instead, we were behind the chains the whole game.

coaching is a huge part of winning, and the only way to beat the better teams. Of course you need players too. i think our roster is actually pretty good right now. The OL is a disaster, but we are doing pretty well in a bunch of areas.

Caleb has a way to go for sure. Hes young, and just learning, even in this circus, but even last week, as awful as everything was, he found a way to drive in the 4th quarter to win the game for us TWICE.

The roster is actually pretty good.

CW is just getting started and has already shown more in this circus than any Bears QB in a long time. Just like we gave both Fields and Eberflus 3 years, Caleb should surely get more time. I still think he can be one of the best NFL QBs ever.

Well I think Eberflus shouldnt be here next year, but as far as finishing out this year, I dont care as much. If we think a new coach could still save the season, then thats an argument for sure, Im not sure i can see that? Oh now Im reading further and youre being sarcastic. Why?

its seems glaringly obvious now. I really thought he needed to go before this season, but maybe the Bears just wont pay two coaches for 2 years. Hopefully theyll eat his deal next year to get someone else in here.

why did we abandon the run (again?) it was working pretty well early. Tony Dungy would have won this game. 17-13 as for going for it on the 4th and 11, I said outloud to my GF before the snap "I dont disagree with this one, as much as Ive hated all the 2nd qtr choices" We really missed Sweat today, Murray had all day back there. But most of all, beside abandoning the run, our WRs were never open. Waldron sucks. Maybe new coaches could help?

OK so this provides some perspective. He didnt "leave practice" as in left for the day, he just went to the locker room to collect himself and then returned. I like players that care. If he got emotional and needed a minute I am all for it. Unfortunately it will become a narrative that he left, and that puts more pressure on Eberflus, looking in the media narrative like he has lost the team. In this case, unfairly.

whoa - do you have a link for that?! That is a huge problem if it's true. EDIT - OK here yeah it's everywhere - that is a HUGE problem. He is acting like a child. Apparently happened on Wednesday. I guess having a tough season is good int he long run - you find out who your warriors are (and arent cough Davis) including coaches. We will be a stronger team as we remove the losers. And we get to see where the team's head and pride is at, how strong they come out. If they come out flat again now, that is really on Eberflus and Poles needs to take note of all of it, players included. https://bearswire.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/bears/2024/11/03/bears-tyrique-stevenson-left-practice-after-being-told-of-benching/76031535007/

It doesnt matter. You win or lose games as a head coach based on the decisions you make. If your players pull out a win anyway, it doesnt mean you made the right choices. And if you have a pattern of making wrong choices, then you are setting your team up to lose games even if you win some too. I think there is a difference between rooting for your team to do well, and making excuses for their mistakes. The key to winning is accountability - that's waht makes people get better and learn from their mistakes. As for being one play away from not hearing this, I disagree again. I've been pointing out his errors in games we won too. And again, losing when you get beat is fine. It's part of football. You don't win every game. But making unforced errors, continued mismanagement of the clock, challenges, and situational football is a problem that will lose us more games in the future too. Had Eberflus defended the sideline on the second to last play like he should have, and had he had his team in position to properly defend the hail mary, and had he taken a timeout to get everyone set, and then a miracle had happened and the Commanders got the TD anyway, this would be a very different conversation. Had he given the ball to Roschon Johnson instead of Kramer, and had he punted instead of going for it on 4th and 1 from his own 20 in the 2nd qtr down 6, a hail mary wouldnt have won the game for the Commanders. His early mistakes set up his late ones, and they all added together to take a win away from us, and make a playoff berth much more difficult to achieve. It's OK to get beaten. It's not OK to give games away. The head coach is supposed to help you WIN games. At worst they should be neutral. But if they are helping you lose games, they should not be head coach.

OK they had re-signed Jake Curhan a while back to the practice squad, and elevated him to the active roster. So we do have SOME options before wed have to move Pryor over and go with Davis. I assume Kramer is in the pipeline at OG too.

I think that's most likely as well. It will be good to see what he's got. Maybe not a truly fair audition, off of IR and right into the fire, but it will certainly be his chance to show something. The team needs players on the line, and if he shows well, he can earn himself a more extended audition. I didn't like what Id seen from him in the past, but hopefully he can take this opportunity and make something great out of it. Also, none of this should be construed to imply that I want Davis in there if at all possible. Let's go Borom!

exactly - once its a pattern, its already too late.