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Also this: "It's time to have that uncomfortable Ryan Poles conversation" "the Bears may have to accept that Poles is the worst kind of GM: okay, but not good enough. Those guys tend to keep their jobs way longer than they should. Despite what Warren said, they need to seriously discuss wiping the entire slate clean next month." https://www.sportsmockery.com/chicago-bears/its-time-to-have-that-uncomfortable-ryan-poles-conversation/

I was a major "no we wouldnt, we dont know what they know" guy, and I have to admit it. Youre right. It SHOULDN'T be that way. They SHOULD have more info than we do, and they should outpick us. But they don't. Maybe we are smart. Maybe they are dumb. Maybe the McCaskeys hire morons because they look for beta guys that don't threaten them. I don't know what it is. But on the good teams in this league, the GMs should know more than we do, and do better than we do. But I gotta admit you're right. We have absolutely sucked at picking players, and I believe there are several people on this board who could have done better. And probably some who would have done worse too LOL But this has been a long simmering debate, and I'm going to call it, and say it clearly - you were right.

Well since it was buried int he middle of a 3 hour podcast, and not in the headline, it's not clickbait. And since the guy asked his partner "should we say this?" and seemed nervous about divulging it, and since people like Courtney Cronin and Adam Rank go on the show and have him on their show, and since former players go on his show, I think MAYBE he heard something? How do you know what they would pay? i thought you just argued that no one knows anything from Halas hall. At least mine was a report, you're just guessing? I think you're just guessing, and I don't think you have any particular insight into what Poles or the team would do.

assuming someone wants to come up to 9 (or wherever we land) and there is no obvious stud LT sitting there at 9, this makes a lot of sense. we need bodies on both lines.

Bears: wow, we have a guy doing a decent job with the offense for three weeks Also Bears: Quick make him head coach so he can't sustain it. It is SO frustrating.

I think the players were absolutely rallying. i think they just couldn't make it work. We need more talent on the OL and DL, and our coaches didn't give us an active edge in winning. So do the players like Brown? I think they do. Does he have their respect, at least right now? I think again yes. But Brown didnt find any easy weaknesses against the Niners today. We got completely out-coached by a real coach. Our DC Williams and his defense were chasing shadows all day too. They pinned their ears back and got screened, they blitzed and got in too late. Everything they did, Shanahan was waiting for it and used it against us with coaching jujitsu. We need to stop being silly and falling love with the smell of our own farts. There are good coaches out there. Proven winners. They might clash with Warren though, and McCaskey needs to be the big dog in the room. And he's a very small dog. So we hire these losers like Nagy, Getsy, Waldron and Eberflus.

it IS - it's Chris Morgan making everyone look terrible. And then again, some really are just terrible LOL ALso did you see that extra point just now int he 4th qtr? It was almost blocked from the SAME gap. We dont learn.

Mike Vrabel, Bill Belichick, Pete Carroll, Jim Harbaugh have all been available, or are available now. Perhaps there are other names we could trade for too. Right now we are totally outclassed. Also, it's painfully obvious we need a new OL, and more on the DL. This is nowhere near acceptable right now. Trying to salvage a coaching staff out of what we already have is complete malpractice. All the puff articles in the world are instantly contradicted by seeing what we look like on the field next to a real coaching staff. This isnt just about the players trying harder. Until the coaching is right, it's fighting uphill in a way that makes something that's already hard close to impossible.

could be. I'd like to see a couple more weeks of Williams calling the D to be sure this isn't just Shanahan making our guys look like newbs.

Yeah, i really thought he was gonna be an Urlacher for us; tall, fast, rangey, play the deep middle. I liked him better than Roquan that year in the draft too. But just like I said about coaches - all the tools int he world don't matter if you don't have instincts. You're right. Prospects and football players are not always the same thing. Grrrr

This (the 49ers) is what great coaching look like. It's like being a great rock paper scissors player. You dont need to reinvent rock, or fool the whole league with a new twist on paper, you have to look the other guy in the eye and just get ahead of him with rhythm. It's not something most people can do. it's not easy, and being fooled by people who overcomplicate things, and maybe even fool the league for 12 weeks with some new wrinkle is not the same thing. It never lasts. In the end it's about being a great poker player. You gotta know when to call that screen. You gotta read the other guy. Ben Johnson types, when they work out, get an edge for one year. But Kyle Shanahan is gonna be good every year. He's not fooling people, he's out guessing them. He anticipates and takes advantage, he isn't only trying to confuse the other guy with new BS that'll be seen on film and dissected within weeks. (Matt Nagy comes to mind) I'll bet Dan Campbell can sniff out when a fake punt is coming, or when to call that draw on 3rd down. Even if he can't innovate new route trees and misdirections. And we have had such trash at head coach, that we are STARVING for coaching, and we're seriously saying a guy who was a passing assistant 6 weeks ago is a serious contender to be the head coach with our once on 50 years new QB. If we can trade for a coach like Shanahan we should. As I'm typing this, we've got Sandborn on deep man coverage against their HB. I'm sure Thomas Brown is a good guy. He's certainly more competent than anything we've seen in years. MAYBE If a Kyle Shanahan comes here and chooses to keep him as OC, he could stay int hat capacity. If Shanahan is calling the plays. But he is NOT as a good a HC prospect as Caleb is at QB. Let's get a real coach.

you dont have to read their minds, you just have to follow their actions. They choose short term $ over long term winning all the time. I could make a list of all thew wrong moves they've made - keeping thew wrong guy an extra year over and over so that the new GM is stuck with a coach he didnt pick, and the new President has a GM he didnt pick. That's absolutely backwards in any organization. I mean, would they prefer to win? Sure of course they would. But are they willing to let their egos out of the way and open the pocketbooks a little to fix all this? Nope. Not for decades.

right, and it doesnt matter what the ideology is, whether i disagree with it, or wholly embrace it, it still gets in the way of football. For example, i hated the players kneeling for the national anthem, but I wouldn't care if it was for BLM, or to increase veteran's healthcare. Hell it could be to say that people shouldnt torture puppies, regardless of the message, it distracts from winning, and that's my only concern with it. Last summer when people were wondering if Caleb was gay, i posted here that *IF* he is gay, i wouldnt care as long as he was winning. But if it became an issue where his identity was making him play a victims role, then it would be awful, but if on the other hand it made him feel like he had to be the best QB ever to prove something, then it could be a positive. So again, I dont mix my politics with my football, i dont care what a player believes, as long as it helps them win games, or is neutral. The minute it steals focus, i hate it, even if i might agree with the cause they are talking about.

I've seen a bunch of different articles about them being woke. I cant find any right now unfortunately. However, they hired Poles and Eberflus with a panel that included McCaskey, Ted Phillips, Bill Polian, Soup Campbell and Tanesha Wade, who is the team's DEI director. But my problem with it isn't so much that's it's politically left or right, but any time you left some outside idea take momentum from the main goal which needs to be winning, then youre putting yourself at a disadvantage in a league that's already really hard to win in. Whether it be political (on either side) or about being religious (going to church with the McCaskeys) or even if it's just about being a boy scout - all these external concerns muddy the waters for finding winners. Pat McAfee was reporting the other day that some NFL insider told him that some teams (not necessarily the Bears!) are afraid to hire Mike Vrabel because he is so physically imposing! What?! Being a major alpha is a problem in football?! When we get to the point that owners are afraid to put their most potent options in charge because it is more important that they dominate their coach rather than that the coach dominates the league, then you have real problems.

totally agree. sheep running a football team is a bad way to proceed.

I think Bears win by a field goal.

yeah I suppose the upside of McCaskey peeing all over these previous choices is that Poles wasnt responsible for them. Doesnt mean he is good at picking coaches, but it would definitely mean that i have no evidence that he is bad at it either. This team is such a mess. I hope they make the right choice for the next head coach. Also, I just heard Pat McAfee reporting that some NFL guy at the combine thought that Vrabel was too intimidating physically for some teams to consider hiring. LOL Man what is football ABOUT then? It's a weird time.

you nailed it. it's so frustrating. I dunno what the letter would do. Theyre gonna sell when they think it's best for them, and until then, theyre gonna keep meddling. I either feel bad for Poles, or I think he's really bad at his job. And I don't know which it is.

Yes! and if we beat them, then it helps them to want to be rid of him too LOL This is a really strange time!

Yikes. If this is true, then he is just Ted Phillips in disguise. Why is our team always held hostage to non football corporate guys?!! I could imagine Ryan poles quitting and giving a press conference saying that they arent letting him make his decisions, and that he didnt want Eberflus back, and he didnt want Waldron, and they forced Flus on him int he first place, that the Bears are broken, and no one should want to work there as GM as long as ownership isnt letting GMs do their job. Who does Warren think he is? Now I REALLY dont know what to think of Poles. Was it Poles, was it Warren, was is McCaskey?

I think that Waldron was so bad, so stupid, that Brown running the offense competently is a breath of fresh air. He's making sense, he's mixing in the run game, he's matching up protections to routes, hes using personnel correctly. I am not sure whether he has that thing, that Ben Johnson has, to reinvent things and put people on their heels. he looks like a professional, and competent to me, but im not sure hes a superstar, and if we can get a superstar, we should. That said, I think brown has some leadership skills that Ben Johnson doesnt have. I am way early in this, but I'm liking the idea of Vrabel or Belichick right now, but if i could find one who was an offensive coach, Id do that. Maybe Kyle Shanahan. maybe the guy in Cleveland Stefanski (sp?) I can see why Brown looks to be a good blend of all the things Im looking for, but i want him to show me something in the passing game that I havent seen yet. ANd it feels like it might be a couple years early for him. Then again, in the NFL by the time something is certain, it's already too late. That's why teams draft QBs like Trubisky and Fields - because by the time they prove it, they are no longer available. But some do prove it, and if you can get them when they are available, thats not a bad thing either. Eh, Im still thinking this through.

yeah that's what i'm saying, that whatever went down, they presented a united front in the press conference. I dont have a link, but I did hear that Poles wanted to keep Flus and Warren wanted to fire him. It was on a podcast I watch that weve discussed before. It wasnt clickbait, it was kind of snuck in during a conversation, and wasnt the main point. i believe they heard it from internal sources at Halas hall. Whether those internal sources were right i cant say of course. We are hearing that Poles wanted Flus gone after the patriot game and the McCaskeys said no. This I believe. Maybe thats what happened during the offseason too, and the story I heard was generated to give the McCaskeys cover? It's all guesses, no actual proof. But I'm sure you'll all agree, something is rotten. I'm not really sure how to evaluate Poles without more clarity on this, and I doubt I'll ever get any. But the only way I'm cool with it is if Poles really did want to fire Flus this offseason and was told not to, and if that's the case, boy are the Bears screwed up as an organization. Anyway, we all know the 8 names or so that will be in consideration for head coach. We will each have our favorites, but any COULD be good, and any could fail, so hopefully however the decision is made, we get lucky and bring in a winner. I'm starting to soften on Belichik. I dont know if the Bears would give a guy the power he'd want, but he would almost certainly make us a better team.

Yeah FWIW, I dont disagree with what ASHKUM or Mongo are saying in general. Especially about how much easier it is to play OG because you dont have to worry about the sides so you can get into your anchor quickly. As you say Mongo, facts are facts, and i do not dispute anything youre saying about that. I'm just saying i think Braxton Jones doesnt hold up well against the bull rush, and he would have a harder time with DTs bringing that. Could he be taught? I cant say he couldnt be, but I wouldnt put him in as a starter at OG until Id seen that he could do it. My issue here is with Braxton's specific toolset and not with the general points you guys are making about the positions. i agree with all of that entirely.

Hard to know whats true and whats spin though. If Poles wanted Flus but Warren was arguing against it then they didnt have a united opinion. If Poles wanted to fire Flus but Mccaskey wouldnt allow it, then they didnt have a united opinion. And yet int he press conference, they presented a united front. So I personally dont know what to believe!

I agree it's easier because you don't have to move laterally too. So for sure, it's easier. But if you're being consistently beaten by the bull rushes, and being overpowered by strength, then a DT is gonna be even harder to deal with than a DE? There is no doubt that you're correct that a lot of failed OTs make it as OGs. We've certainly seen it on our team a bunch of times. But I dont know if Braxton Jones has the strength to make that adjustment. Youre also right that it's not just brute strength but getting into your anchor, and youre also right that not having to worry about lateral movement means you can get right to your anchor, so those are reason for optimism. Im just saying that I see Jones get bullied and manhandled with the bull rush a lot more than outside or inside moves, and so i wonder if he personally has what it takes to make that transition to OG. But in general terms, i fully agree with what you've said.