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To me Jayden Daniels has a ton of positives, but I do see one glaring negative that i think will prevent him from being elite or possibly even successful in the NFL. It's very similar to the way that Justin had a ton of gifts, but one fatal flaw too. So the positives on Daniels are easy to see: He has an elite arm - makes all the throws with velocity and excellent placement He can run He makes good presnap reads He delivers the ball to his primary receiver on time and in tempo. and to be fair, he has excellent receivers and often the primary receiver is where the ball needs to go. but I also see he NEVER turns his head to look at anyone else. and when his primary receiver is covered, he runs. He also locks on to his primary receiver from the snap, and doesn't look safeties off. So his eyes are not reading more than one receiver, and not manipulating the defense. If he doesnt learn to fix this, then he will be solved by NFL defenses just as Justin has been. However, he's a young guy, and there is nothing written in stone that says he wont develop these skills with next level coaching. He will have his few years to grow, and if he can learn this, then his skill set will bring him a lot of success. But you rarely see people going from never doing something to doing it well. So for me, he is QB4 in this draft behind Williams, Maye and even JJ McCarthy. There is no way I'd take Daniels with a top 3 pick. The good news is that it looks like the Vikings have amassed enough ammo to trade up to pick #3, and he does feel like a Viking QB to me. I'd love to have our zone oriented defense feast on his poor eye discipline and lack of reading ability. Two caveats: 1) I am watching Chase Daniels break him down right now, and Daniels said "he has all the tools and reads defenses well" but all I see are excellent pre snap reads, not moving through progressions, it's as if once the ball is snapped, his neck is fused. 2) Daniels is slight of stature, and while I dont think every good QB has to have prototypical size, if he ends up on the Vikings, I will enjoy Sweat folding him like laundry

Good stuff. also, Allen isn't known a speedster, but as a route runner. Raw speed loses a step after 30, but route running ages like fine wine. We cant expect him to play at 40 like Rice did. But Rice was a route runner too, and there was no way Randy Moss could have played that long, because his game depended on his speed. So I think Allen still has some left in the tank. Maybe even a few years.

from the Hill chart (if that helps) pick #1 = 1000 points pick #11 = 358 points pick #23 = 245 points together they equal 603 points pick #2 = 717 points pick #3 = 514 points. From this one could guess that Minnesota is planning on trading up with NE to the 3rd pick for Jayden Daniels or JJ McCarthy. I hope it's Daniels, because while he has a gun of an arm, Daniels is a one read QB, and he's slight of build so Sweat is going to break him like a twig. IF Minnesota wanted to get up to #2, theyd need 114 more points. Next year's first rounder is probably worth about 130ish points, so they could reach #3 with this years picks, or Dav is right they would need to add in next years #1 to get to #2. But they'd still be nowhere near the regular value of #1 in a normal year, no less one with Williams.

absolutely. this is how you develop players.

exactly right. and too bad, but I wasnt surprised after having watched him all season.

this is ridiculous and twisting to keep a dead narrative alive. Caleb didnt do his physicals for anyone. He didnt blow the Bears off. The Bears wanted something special and Caleb said no, well do it regularly after my pro day. But the idea that Caleb not giving medicals is why Justin didnt get more value? That's nonsense. Poles needed the medical but then traded Fields anyway before the medical? That whole narrativer already was proven false today. Also, Tomlin has told Fields that he is not the starter, and it's not an open competition. And worst of all hes not gonna pick Caleb to avoid a circus - hes going to pick Caleb because hes the best damned QB thats been available in a long time. This isnt all intrigue and smokescreens and double crosses - it was always simple. Justin sucks and the NFL knows it and Caleb is great and the NFL knows it. That's all there is to it. The other scenarios died today. It was always just Justin sucks Caleb rocks.

For sure. Caleb is the best chance this franchise has had to be dominant in a long time. Let's go.

It's not a big deal to me either way, but just for the discussion, apparently Tomlin called Fields and told him his role was as a backup to Wilson for sure. According to one of the big reporter, but I don't remember which one said it. I'll try to find it. I want to say it was Adam Schefter, but I'm not really sure.

yeah I don't know what Poles will do, but what he SHOULD do is take Caleb Williams.

when he takes the Bears to greatness, will you recant this statement?

after saying "there are a handful of things that would scare the shit out of me" he says "I dont know if they are true" which i think is important for context LOL

I think our roster is getting stocked, and it's time to add blue chippers. WR, Bowers, OT or DL with pick #9. We've filled a bunch of holes with stopgaps., and one of those positions is gonna get a big upgrade.

I think Poles is doing pretty good and will do the right thing here. We are in a really good position.

Please God no.

Obviously Poles felt that clearing out a QB controversy was worth losing that 3rd rounder. As for Poles speaking at the combine ruining the value, that only matters if there is only one team interested. If two teams saw him as a starter, theyd have to bid with each other and then true value is established regardless of Poles' comment?

Bagent is a better backup.

I gotta say it, and I wont harp on it I will say it once. The league has spoken and Fields is not a starter. Teams chose Kirk Cousins, Russell Wilson, even Jayden Daniels and Drake Maye over Justin. His value was a 2025 6th rounder, which is worth a 7th rounder this year - basically nothing. I can imagine that Poles may have passed on a slightly better deal, but there was no 2nd round pick out thereto be had, no less a first rounder, and Poles has known he was taking Williams (barring something unexpected in his medical) and he didn't need to finish with Williams to trade Justin. And this is deeply true because he hardly got anything for him, so whatever insurance you think Justin may have provided, Poles was willing to forgo it for almost nothing. He got a few million off the cap, and cleared out the locker room for the next guy. I don't think Poles did the wrong thing or even screwed up. I think his idea of Justin's value was more in line with reality than what a lot of fans thought it was. And the league agreed in unison in the loudest terms. Justin lacks something necessary to succeed in the NFL, and without that skill set, all his incredible plusses don't matter. It's exactly what I've been saying since October. I took a LOT of crap for being early to see this. First I was told I needed to let the rest of the season play out before I could proclaim that what was already clear on tape could be true. Then the goalposts moved and I had to wait until the draft to see etc etc. Well, it was just true. It was on the tape. It wasn't that I had a bad attitude or was a hater. It was just that I could see that Justin had fatal flaws, and I said so. And. I. Was. Right. So to all the people who thought it was ego, or how could I possibly know or whatever the basis of all the crap I have taken for these six months - at the end of the day the NFL and Poles agreed with me, and Fields is what I (and they) say he was. It would be nice, but not expected, if the people who were questioning my fandom, football knowledge and character would admit that I wasn't wishy washy about it. I didn't leave myself any escape hatches in case things went another way. I was 100% convicted in what I saw as the clear obvious objective truth, and in the end, I was correct. What I saw was real, and not the product of my ego or negativity. Or anything about me at all. It was just the tape. That's all it was. And that's all it's ever been. And it wasn't because I think I am better than anyone, because anyone else could have joined me in this opinion and been right along side of me. Many here did. Because they believed it themselves, certainly not because I did. If I was an overly negative person, you'd have heard me complaining about some of our other players, or the new signings. In the fall you'd hear me being overly critical of Williams and negative. But you won't. I am optimistic and excited about Williams, and I will give him the same patience and hope I gave Fields for several years. I was very excited when Fields was drafted. I believed in him. And I admit that Fields came into a tough situation. It was a real obstacle to his growth in many different ways. Not fair to him at all. But if that narrative captured the entirety of the problem, then we would have had better offers, and Fields would be a starter somewhere. I truly wish him well. He was a good guy, a leader, an electrifying athlete and extremely likeable as a person. But he is not a good NFL QB, and he's been decoded and never will be a consistent winning starter in this league. I will also say that being SO right about this one thing isn't because I think I have some super football brain. It doesn't mean I think I can make guesses like this all over the place and be sure I'm right. Usually things are much murkier to me. It was simply that what I saw on tape from Justin was so clear that I knew for SURE about this one thing.

I absolutely never speak in absolutes! Also, I think there's a decent chance we make picks at #1 and #9

you could well be right.

lol

yeah they will have about $27 million left after they get down to the top 51 for the cap, but that includes money they will need for the rookie pool, and to keep liquidity for in season moves. we have room for another signing tho. Also there is some chance we will extend Allen another year and play some cap games doing it to free up $. If that happens itll probably be this weekend.

and if I said i thought it was pretty much already decided but if they are surprised by something bad then it could change, thatd pretty much be the same thing?

true I think he probably knows what he thinks already, and is just doing his due diligence. Of course if bad stuff pops up, it can always change things. But assuming it doesnt, they probably know what theyre doing already. true, but I think Williams is the obvious choice, not predicting Poles but from what I've seen on film.

so if you think you are proving youre better off not picking a QB #1 then you have to factor in all the QBs that werent selected #1 who DIDNT win superbowls. No one knows its Brady and waits until the 6th round for him, and you can pick 6th round QBs every year for the next 10 years and not get another Brady. So no one is saying picking someone #1 makes them a superbowl winner, but a higher percentage of #1 pick overall QBs win superbowls than any other place in the draft.

it was me that said it. if we could get something good for him, we ought to consider it with Swift now our starter and Roschon Johnson coming on too. Not saying Herbert isnt good - in fact thats the reason i think he has trade value.