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This all makes sense. I feel the same way. It all hinges on player evaluations. There will be more pre draft film to see on YouTube soon so we can all get a peek at these guys. It does feel like a particularly deep class, but each player has abilities and questions too, so this is potentially a tough one. Unless our scouts think Williams is a god, with a good head, then it's easy.

Id put Rattler and Milton on that list too. I dont know where on the list, but in the discussion.

I was looking at the super bowl quarterbacks over the last 25 years and it really started to jump out at me. During the last 25 years, the superbowl has been won at least twice in that time by 5 QBs; Tom Brady (7) Patrick Mahomes (3) Peyton Manning (2) Ben Roesthlisberger (2) Eli Manning (2) Together they account for 16 of the 25 superbowl victories. In other words, they own 2/3 of all the Lombardi trophies awarded during that span. Additionally, they appeared as the losing QB in 7 more superbowls, and in 3 of those, they were beaten by one of the other guys on this list. 18 other QBs not on this list got their teams to the superbowl, but couldnt get past one of these five giants and lost. only 4 times during the past 25 years did a quarterback NOT on the list manage to beat a QB on the list in the SB. They are: Aaron Rodgers (beat Roesthlisberger) Drew Brees (beat Peyton Manning) Nick Foles (beat Tom Brady) Russell Wilson (beat Peyton Manning) The other 5 SB winning QBs did not have to face one of the five guys on the list to get their win. They are: Stafford, Flacco, Johnson, Dilfer, Warner I think to have a reliable chance of winning superbowls, you need a top QB. There's a lot of chaos, and they don't make the super bowl every year. And sometimes they even lose. But 2 out of 3 times, the winner of the superbowl ended up being a QB who would win more than once, and get to the superbowl even more often. In fact, of 50 superbowl starting QB slots, these five accounted for 23 of them, which is basically half. It sure looks like most of the league is exhibition football, and only a handful of QBs are playing for the actual trophy. Even more so when you realize that 3 guys on the list only won twice. Mahomes and Brady prove the rule even within the list. Elite of elite. And of the guys who disprove the rule? the seven who won that werent on the list: Aaron Rodgers is a sure fire HOFer Drew Brees is a sure fire HOFer Kurt Warner already is a HOFer, and went to three superbowls. So 1/3 of the non list guys that won are studs too. All that's left is Dilfer, Johnson, Flacco, Stafford, Foles and Wilson as examples of non stud QBs with teams built around them, but only Foles and Wilson beat a guy on the list of five in the superbowl. So 2 out of 25 times (8%) a team built around a non stud QB (not one of the five, or a sure HOFer) manages to win in the superbowl against a stud QB. And this doesnt measure all the teams that had good teams built around lesser QBs that never even made the superbowl. You gotta add that in to the odds of success with that approach. If youve got a stud QB, youre in the superbowl game, if you dont, you're not in the same league.

amen

truth. both of those teams are a lot better than us. Both played really tough defense. But only the one with the generational QB won. We need a lot of things, but without that top QB, none of the rest of it matters.

If the Chiefs had been dow two touchdowns, then that's what Mahomes would have scored at the end of the game. Winners win. Michael Jordans shooting percentage goes UP for clutch shots. He's better when it counts than he is regularly. I remember when Eli Manning beat Tom Brady in the game with the helmet catch. The Giants were leading most of the game, and then Brady engineered a last minute drive to take the lead with an injured leg. He did that because he is a winner. And it turns out Eli is a winner too because he engineered and impossible last minute drive to come back. KC may have been gifted one score, but the fumble near the goal line took another one away from them. In the end, a huge percentage of super bowls are won by a handful of QBs. It's not a statistical accident. If you dont have one of those guys, you dont win. And if you do, youre always in it. The NFL is dominated by a small group of QBs. We need one of those!

he's stuffed in a locker having his own club dub LOL

The dominant QB captains two long end of game drives to win the super bowl. The team with players built around a lower pick QB, who turns out to be an excellent best possible case QB, and the team with a smothering defense, and excellent playcalling on both sides of the ball is unable to overcome the magic of a true winning QB. Even though the Chiefs were quiet early, and turned the ball over. Even though everything was going the 49ers way. A Brady Mahomes type wins it again. If you dont have one of those kind of guys at QB, youre not going all the way.

yup and Warren Sapp too. Im also wondering about our DC. The NFL is such a soap opera!

could be. I just think it's gonna be a bumpy ride.

Thank you - you're right i think it was Gabriel. And if it's being over-competitive, then sign me up. I wanted Harbaugh too, and that guy has a mental illness for winning. I wouldnt want to be his neighbor, but he can coach my team any time. I dont personally have any issue with him crying with his mom. I think it's a plus. Also taking his OL to the Heisman ceremony is awesome. I just wish I knew more about what is going on behind the scenes. It's SOMETHING, maybe a positive as we've said, but i feel like it's something else. Maybe I'll think it's a small thing or dumb, or maybe it's a smokescreen from Washington. Who knows. But there is something not being said , and I just wish I knew what it was!

Yeah it's hard to say. But it does feel like something is up. Also, it is possible (but this is just a scenario with no proof) that Williams has reached out to Poles about not wanting to be in Chicago, and Poles wouldnt want that known publicly to save face. Maybe that's the big secret? He likes the tweets to save Poles' face, and Poles gets to pretend he wanted the picks and Maye. Or maybe he really does?

yes, and even if our plan is to take a DE at #9, we will still sign one in free agency.

Usually, you see GMs wanting to use free agency to plug holes so they can be flexible in the draft and not have to reach to fill a hole, or miss someone great dropping because you have to fill a hole. I expect free agent moves at FS, OC/OG, DE, WR, TE, HB they wont necessarily be the most exciting guys, and some will be supplanted by rookies, but you can't know which until the draft plays out. If we can get one or two real impact players in Free Agency, even better, and then the rest can be decent role players for rookies to challenge.

I like Hunter the player, but I wouldnt be surprised if we take our complementary DE in the draft at #9. It's always good to have your ends on different schedules so when Sweat ages, the rookie is peaking. And there are probably 3 DEs worthy of a pick in the #9 area. If we're looking at 3T with the #9 pick, then a FA DE makes more sense. And if we are looking at WR or OT, then we definitely need a DE in free agency.

Doesnt it feel like there's some huge unsaid secret the press know about Williams but arent saying? Why add "Based on tape study only" - I keep seeing people talking around character concerns, but then I dont hear any actual evidence of it at all. It's almost like theyre afraid theyll get sued if they break the story and cost him millions. Maybe its something stupid like that hes gay or something. That wouldnt bother me, as long as he was a GOAT gay role model and not a victim activist. Or maybe it's a doubt PR campaign from the Redskins hoping to scare us off of him. I dunno, but these little disclaimers keep popping up, and at least one reporter (I wish i remembered who it was) said there was "unflattering info" that would come out about Williams. I dont think someone would describe being gay as "unflattering" so it's probably something else.

I go through this too. If it helps, it's early. in the next couple months there will be a lot to look at on YouTube to help with this. I think it all hinges on who Caleb Williams is going to be and who Maye, Daniels, and a few others guys are going to be too. The combine will start the hype machine. But you're right, if Maye (or whoever) is right up there with Williams, then you definitely trade down at least to #2. But if Williams is a HOFer who will take us to multiple superbowls, then the extra other picks are irrelevant. I think it's less about draft strategy, and more about player evaluation. And more info is coming on this.

Im nervous as hell about it, but if we draft Caleb and he turns out to be "generational" can you imagine how happy we are all about to be?

I think he means 2nd QB taken in that draft?

Im not sure that a rookie wont be better than Justin has been, but I like the way you put this, so even IF the rookie has growing pains by year two it'll be worth it.

I think this is right.

it's a huge difference, and a good lesson in why you dont wait too long for something youre not seeing on the field. I think Fangio let him freelance and he got lucky, or maybe his natural instincts just worked with that scheme. I dunno. i cant imagine he forgot how to run the plays, who to cover etc, but he seems to have done just that. Or he was always a gambler, and he had a lucky streak and then an unlucky one? Whatever it is, we wont be spending big money on it. And also, i tend to deal with these players on here like they are Madden personas, and it should be said that Eddie Jackson is a person too, and probably a very good one. And while it sucks to lose your slot as a starter or in the league, he will leave with a ton of cash, and some amazing memories. Look at Mitch Trubisky. His NFL dreams never really took hold. We can call him a bust or a loser. But at the same time, he has career earnings of $46 Million dollars, and is probably worth $15M and has a knockout gorgeous wife. So if ya get in the game, it's rough, but probably worth it. See ya around Eddie Jackson.

In some ways, Jackson was the Fields of the defense. Everyone liked him, his best season was in the past, and all his big plays came off of making plays rather than playing in structure. BOth are said to need schemes around them that are tailored to their improvisational instincts. To be fair, a FS can generally freelance more than a QB in a typical scheme, but Jackson was really undisciplined, and also unlike Fields, he made a lot of really bad plays that cost us while he was freelancing. Jackson played himself off the team.

well said, good points.

it's both. You need a great QB, and you need to protect him. And ideally, you build the line first, but I dont see where we are likely to have a choice of QB like we do now. Wright is looking great. Between Jenkins and Davis you have like 1.25 good starting OGs. So add another OG to the mix to compete and eventually replace one. We will absolutely address center this year. So are we talking about another OT? If we draft Williams and then an OT with pick #9 then that's not still insane is it? So maybe the argument should be "not upgrading the OL would be insane" and I dont think youre wrong about that at all.