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and for the record, I had said some flattering things about Flus the last couple of weeks, and I did absolutely say that the players deserve a huge share of this too. This isnt some personal vendetta I have against Flus - thats really dumb.

SO lets not get personal OK? The thing is we disagree, thats not because I have a character flaw. I said the players took a huge share of the blame, but youre just trying to make this about me for some odd reason. Please dont. We simply disagree. I think the coaching has been awful. Lets not let this degrade to the personal shots that took over the Justin fight. You thought that was a personal problem with me too, but it wasnt. So lets stay not personal ok?

LOL there's tons of blame to go around. The coaches are not good. The call to Kramer was a joke. The 4th and 1 in the 2nd quarter was an error. Punt there. Instead they gave away an easy FG. Kmet was on the bench for too much of the 4th qtr We were running too much out of shotgun We came out flat in the first qtr after a bye He should have thrown the challenge flag, even if just to damper the momentum allowing that out on the second to last play totally unchallenged set up the hail mary And as you say, they didnt tell the players to play the hail mary that way, but they did - thats discipline and teaching - in other words COACHING. Delay of game, false start, personal foul, illegal formation - all discipline penalties. And in general the team was flat and not prepared. This was on the players AND the coaches. Flus, Waldron and Morgan are NOT good.

Preach. 100% - our coaches suck, and we need to learn how to play tough.

The players share a lot of blame for this one, but there is no doubt we are a poorly coached team.

totally agree on both points. holding on the OL, and we didnt deserve to win today. I half expected this, as we meet tougher opponents, we are going to have to learn to elevate ourselves to match and overtake them. Hard lessons.

you said it. Argh.

Man, you gotta keep one guy back in the end zone. UGH.

thats right! Power back, up the middle. Football.

what the hell are these play calls?!

THAT was coaching.

SH*T. Too cute. Kramer can block but he does NOT have hands. COME ON - we didnt need that trickery to score there. Play FOOTBALL stop trying to fool everyone.

Kramer and Kiran giving Caleb a chance - wow. OK Jenkins is back. I hope Murray is OK, I like him.

Flus isn't good at 4th and 1, timeouts and challenges. Of course that's not the main problem today, but it's still true. The 4th and 1 over-aggressive mistake is something he keeps doing. We also have lots of stupid penalties and come out flat in the first quarter. I dont love him as head coach, but today it's the players that need to do better.

for sure - the team has to learn to toughen up against harder opponents. Maybe we can do that before the game slips away, or maybe it happens in practice this week, but Id sure like to steal this one.

OK D got the stop, ST blocked the FG - lets see Caleb get it going, show us a 4th qtr comeback.

we need a takeaway. lets go.

I think every time this team encounters a higher level of opponent, they will get their lip bloodied. How they come out after halftime will say a lot. This game is far from over, I know we all agree.

yeah he's missing assignments horribly, but he is winning the physical battles with the guy he chooses to block, so maybe theres hope. he is a smart guy. Yale and all. He should eventually clean that stuff up. better than if he was being physically beaten i suppose.

I was talking about going for it on 4th and 1 from your own 40 down 6 in the second quarter. That's crap. Especially with a good defense and world beating punter. I typed that when it happened. I could argue that Flus also had them flat to start the game, but youre right, the major problems on offense are on the players.

Eberflus is an undisciplined gambler. Bleh.

Good to see Dexter is back in there.

Caleb needs to settle down, hes overthrowing guys too much. Maybe a little rusty after the bye.

I hate how this team is never ready to play in the first quarter. Thats on the coaching.

Cant believe the Jags let the Packers off the hook. Ugh.