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I didn't get to see Trubisky throw much but of the top 4 QBs Watson looked the best IMO. Very comfortable in the drop back and on target. There is something to this guy when the lights are on he's ready and we can't discount that. Based on what little I saw of him, I like the way Trubisky threw as well. It's all recorded and I'll go back and catch all the drills on my days off. Kizer showed some of the same (occasional) short throws we've seen in games. After two months of practice for these drills that bothers me. Mahomes was all over the place and just looked uncomfortable at times. Again I haven't seen all the drills yet so we'll see if he settled in later.

Given our lack of QB talent and the excellent RB talent in this draft we definitely should draft a RB on day 3. I love Howard and he's our starter hands down but this is the NFL and it's a brutal battle each week for RBs. Langford did not show enough progress last year and Carey is not good enough to be a #2 RB, and not versatile enough to be a #3 RB. Our team will rely heavily on the run game next season and Howard needs someone who can share the load with him. The last thing I want is that we run Howard into the ground before this team is ready to compete deep into the playoffs in 2 or 3 years.

What do you see in Peterman to make you think he's an NFL starter? I see a weak arm that has to release the ball very early on intermediate or deeper routes. He's accurate on his throws but beyond the short routes he's going to struggle with the speed in the NFL just like Hoyer does. Fast players are going to be bating him into throws beyond 10 yards and he'll either learn quickly that he can't make those throws without getting at least an incomplete pass if not an INT, or he'll leave the NFL. IMO his smarts and ability to make the quick read keep him around as a career backup. We already have one of those on our roster in Shaw (I think he showed enough to be a backp) plus Barkley (whatever he may be). Likely soon we'll have another career backup in Hoyer. You only need so many of these so at some point we should take a chance on a QB with more potential.

Neither side had any reason to part ways. Knowing the offense and the lack of QB competition makes this by far Shaw's best chance to show he can be an NFL QB.

I love how Budda Baker plays the game but at his size I'm not comfortable taking him in the 2nd Rd. I think he's going to have durability issues.

Well then he won't grade out so high and it settles it naturally. That's why it's good the draft process is so long. It puts these players in a brighter spotlight for a long time.

Yes. I'm not talking vet minimum but $4-6mil he might take for a shot at the playoffs. He's had a star-crossed career and made a lot of money. There is one thing that would validate his talent and that's at least going deep into the playoffs if not to the Superbowl.

I wouldn't totally rule that out after their experience with QBs last year. Regardless, they needed cap space so don't read too much into it.

You are far more optimistic about Trevathan and his long term prospects than I am. I definitely think he'll return but will he have the same speed? In any case this year he's likely a PUP candidate. Again, this is not what I want to do but if Foster graded that much higher than the others it is what we should do. I just don't believe he grades out higher than players like Thomas, Hooker, and Adams in which case we fill the need. Pass rusher opposite Floyd is a need IMO.

NY Giants. Pair him up with the other whiner and enjoy. If he's willing to be on a low priced contract this would be a good 1yr let's-try-to-win-it-all chance for everyone involved. They have the defense, the QB, but need another decent WR to go with Beckam. A bigger WR option for red zone fits the need well. We all know Brandon can keep it clean for one season if he's highly motivated. Meanwhile Brandon keeps his current TV gig which makes him happy.

Allen is definitely off the radar now at #3. The arthritis might not affect him too much now but it's an issue when you look at a second contract and if you know up front you can't get that value out of a #3 pick then you shouldn't go there. I wouldn't have a problem with Foster. I'm still good with Trubisky but prefer to go defense with Thomas followed by Adams/Hooker. Hooker is a guy who has to come visit right before the draft to follow up on his progress from the surgery. All four of these defensive players make an impact this year.

I voted to build for the future vision. However, that and winning now don't have to be mutually exclusive. Given the cap space and strength of this draft it is quite possible to build a very good to dominate defense. We know from history that can take you a long way. More teams win the Superbowl with a dominant defense than a dominant offense. Sign Calais Campbell, draft Solomon Thomas. Dline is done. ($13mil?) Hankins as a backup signing ($8mil) Double dip on FA CBs (Gilmore, Logan Ryan) then find a safety in Rd 3. ($18-20mil) Maybe we can find a 3rd tier FA ILB to help ILB depth until Trevathan is ready to go. ($1-2mil) Sign FA WR Woods (2nd tier) and draft a WR in Rd 2 and we'll have some depth. ($6-8mil) Sign FB Juszczyk and use 4th Rd pick to draft a RB. ($4mil) Yes, we will have a successful running game no matter what. 4th Rd draft Kelly or Peterman. QB to groom 5th Rd TE might still be a good backup prospect especially one who is more of a blocker ....which we need to run the ball! 6th Rd trade Kyle Fuller for this pick and take BPA Give Hoyer some ridiculous money to stay ($5-7mil) We have cap space right now of $51mil. I spent $54mil. Cutting Cutler frees up $12mil, cut Houston/Royal and it's $10mil more for total space of $73mil. Cut Sutton/McManis add $3mil for $76mil total. If we find a good OT who can backup/challenge to start cut Houston/Royal and sign him for $6-8mil. Now we've spent $62mil. We have $14mil for rookie pool, a couple FAs to fill out depth chart and keep some space for in-season injuries. In 2018 your draft is largely focused on QB and really BPA thereafter.

Given our likely QB situation we would be better off signing a WR who can best work the short/intermediate areas as opposed to deep threats. Jackson will run out of Hoyer's range in 1.5 seconds, and he'll grow tired of all the WR screens (and big hits) he'll have get.

Glennon biggest claim to fame is that he drove his team to use a #1 overall pick on another QB. I like the fact Pace won't hand over high picks to NE for JimmyG in desperation, at least not yet. While we have no idea what's been offered this is a good sign he's got his head on right when it comes to the valuation of players. If Belichick wants to play hard ball we just move on to other options. I tend to agree with Jason, other than Garoppolo none of the other options are really better than Hoyer. They might offer different physical talent (i.e. stronger arm) but at least we know Hoyer has the mental side of it down on passes within 15 yards of the LOS. I'd say anyone such as Glennon would likely end up backing up Hoyer. I know none of the rookies are ready to play in year 1. I still like Trubisky but don't necessarily like the idea of using #3 overall on him. In this marketplace (and draft) we have to consider the total value of any deal we make. Give up a 2nd and next year's 3rd for JimmyG? Trade a 3rd for Glennon who is somewhat of a known commodity? The flip side is you can package that 3rd Rd pick with our 2nd Rd pick to move up to #20 in the 1st Rd and take Mahommes. I'd rather have Mahommes' upside even knowing he's at least a 2 year project. Everything I've read says Mahommes has the right approach to being a franchise QB. We might get Kizer or Watson at #20 too, maybe even Trubisky. I think all four of them are better options than Glennon. I'd put Garoppolo in the same category as the top 4 QBs in this draft. Pace should stay within his valuation window on these QBs. If another team overpays for Garoppolo that just takes them off the QB list for the draft. When going for JimmyG or Glennon we must also figure in the high cost of their new contracts because that's an offset against signing another FA starter, or solid FA backup. FWIW I still think Trubisky at #3 plus keeping our 2nd and 3rd Rd picks in this draft is at least an equal value to the above options. There are starting caliber players to be had in those rounds. We'll see how Trubisky looks at the combine and again at his pro day.

a few lucky breaks...and one QB.

As much as I like him I think we should bypass the very high-priced Campbell and pursue Johnathan Hankins. He's versatile enough to give us some pass rush at DE, or he can anchor the NT spot. http://www.espn.com/blog/new-york-giants/p...e-as-free-agent "Hankins had 43 tackles, 3.0 sacks and was third on the Giants with eight tackles for a loss and 10 quarterback hits." If the article's estimate of contract value is correct (5 yr, $43mil, $16mil guaranteed) then it fits in well with our cap space. He's young at 25yr old and we can use the difference in contracts (Campbell - Hankins) to extend Hicks deal. Hankins probably fits in the same mold as Hicks as a player with perhaps better first step quickness. ---- Draft Solomon Thomas and put him at OLB/LDE and we have a top 5 defensive front with versatility for any down/distance. On the outside figure McPhee rotates with Thomas and then we have Young, and RRH/Ocho. Interior backups we'd have Bullard, perhaps one of Washington/Unrein/Sutton/Ferguson whoever wins the job.

This is a good summary of some flags on players that teams will be watching closely at the combine. http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/news/nf...s-measurements/

I like the fact Pace is floating around that we're not "all-in" on Garoppolo. McCarron in my view is no better or worse than Hoyer. Giving up a draft pick for him makes him a little worse as we might as well grab our own QB like Webb or Peterman with that pick.

I think there will be discussions at the combine, mainly Cutler's agent shopping him around and talking with teams about contract terms. I don't think we'll see any movement on the trade front, if it happens at all, until closer to the draft. Cutler is still rehabbing from his surgery and I'm not sure how soon he can throw. Then I think there are other pieces in the QB market that have to fall in place first: Romo, Garoppolo, and most importantly Cousins. Pace could release Cutler outright but I would expect that only if there were something cap wise that made it a compelling decision. I think he just has a roster bonus now that pays only during the season but maybe there is something in the contract relative to the start of the league year. For now I think Pace hangs on hoping to get a late round draft pick out of it.

Excellent assessment and the more I've thought about this offseason, between the talent in FA and the draft, the more I see Pace/Fox focused on building the defense. Given the makeup of the roster this is likely the shortest path to winning.

I can see that perspective but I don't agree with it. Jeffrey's record defines him as a player and that is one who misses numerous games and practices every season. Compare him against Antonio Brown and it's night and day. There should be no reason for his health to get better as he gets older. As far as nothing in return, when you spend $15mil and your player is sidelined for injury or suspended you are getting zero Return on Investment (ROI) those weeks. I've seen a lot of weeks in the last 3 seasons with little to no ROI on Jeffrey. If Jeffrey leaves we'll get $15mil in cap space and Pace can go out and sign the top 2 FA CBs if he so chooses. There's a higher probability of that making this team better because with question marks at QB we need a strong defense and a strong running game. There are already some good pieces in place on both sides to make that happen. Add to them.

I'm not sure how much a WR who often misses practice and games would help a rookie QB. There are options in FA to add some depth to the WR corps. Cleveland won't be tagging Pryor but you have to figure they will match any offer he gets. http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap300000078...-alshon-jeffery

Given the lengthy rehab work he has to do this offseason just to get his physical skills back this is not the ideal time to move him to LT.

I agree.

Lasike isn't even close to being in the same class. When you think if Juszczyk think more h-back than FB and we used Miller in the h-back role a lot. In fact if he were officially in an h-back role he'd be talked about as one of the best FA TEs available.