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That's not really the question. Would you take him with our 2nd Rd pick? I just don't see the value there at all.

As they say on the TV commercials: But wait there's more... http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2702148...ound-mock-draft If you are inclined to scrolling, at that link Matt Miller also includes his "fix" for the Bears. Like many here, he starts with 2 defensive players: Adams/Kevin King. I'm good with that. With the FA CBs we signed it would give King a year to add some strength. Interestingly his "fix" for the Bears is totally different from his mock draft, which has us taking Lattimore and then some OT I literally have never heard of in Dion Dawkins. I hope the Bears steer clear of this Jerry Angelo approach to the draft. It seems very like Angelo to take on the injury risk with Lattimore at #3 (because CB is more of a value position) and then a reach again at #36 to fill another need. I never heard of Dawkins because he's more often listed as an OG and I'm not doing any work on guards this draft. Nonetheless, taking a guy predicted to be an OG, even if he has some potential at RT, with the 36th pick in the draft seems like one heck of a reach and a complete waste if Dawkins has to fall back to being only a Guard. Maybe Miller isn't aware that we have Long, Whitehair, and Sitton. Then consider the defensive talent we'd be walking away from, or even QB talent, and it just gets worse.

Entirely plausible we go with Hooker/Awuzie but I still think we take Adams over Hooker. I'd be very happy with Awuzie in the 2nd Rd. He is more athletic than I thought he was a couple months ago and we already knew he was a very good football player in all aspects of the game, including special teams. If we were to draft Adams/Awuzie we would instantly improve the secondary into a very athletic and physical group. LeBlanc is small in stature but he too likes contact. Amos does too for that matter. In front of them you have Freeman, Kwit, and Trevathan (once healthy) and all 3 like to come downhill. In front of them we have guys like McPhee, Hicks, and Goldman. I think we'd see the start of a soon-to-be intimidating physical defense.

A lot of praise for Adams, and Brooks is usually reserved in his critiques. http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap300000079...-2017-nfl-draft

That would be a fun sideshow during their games.

With the knee injury and likely to miss his entire rookie season? With this much TE talent in the draft I think teams will go elsewhere in Rd 3 knowing they can get help on the field this season and we'll see Butt on the board starting Day 3.

Bye bye Kyle Fuller. This guy doesn't replace him but the others (Cooper, Amukamara, Le Blanc, Callahan, Porter, and maybe even Banks) did and signing another CB when we're also likely to draft one just means they have less confidence he'll be around so they are stacking the deck hoping to fill out the bottom end of the roster. I think Fuller is offered for a late round draft pick. I'm not sure a team will bite on that since if he's cut he'll be cheaper. However, it seems he's more of a zone/cover 2 scheme fit and somebody with cap space might want him enough to take on the cap hit. If Pace doesn't get offers now just hold onto him into training camp and see what we get then. At some point Fuller has to show his talent again if he wants to work in the NFL. We can be patient.

I still think Fuller is gone before the start of the season. Back to the original topic: Sherman (and Seattle's defense) are so good in large part because of the safety play. Earl Thomas is the eraser. We saw this with Browner when he left and many felt he was some great CB but he flopped as an elite FA. Sherman is clearly much better than Browner but he plays with the same "handsy" style early on a route and needs the over the top help at times. He'd be our best CB but he was never a fast player so how long can he hold onto that quickness the helps him jam and then turn and run? I don't think he'd be happy here anyway amongst a rebuilding team...... and if Momma ain't happy....... well you know how that goes. I don't see Pace and Fox wanting to add him to the locker room mix.

I'm glad to see Adams ran better at his pro day. His 4.55 had me concerned because on tape I felt he was faster than that. He's at his best inside the box but offers quite a bit of value in coverage, even at FS. I'm still good if we pick him at #3 and I think he makes the entire group of DBs better. My biggest nitpick with him is that there are times when the plays go away from him where I don't think he's hustling enough to get in on the stop. If the ball is coming to his side of the field he's on his way in a hurry and can close out from 10 yards away in a flash.

Allen slight health question which to me is magnified by the poor showing at the combine where he managed just 21 reps @ 225lbs. Jamal Adams at a mere 214 lbs with arms almost as long as Allen's (1/8" shorter) put up 18 reps. Then the fact he stood on that result during the pro day is surprising, at least to me. Jamal Adams didn't run well at the combine so he comes back at his pro day and runs again. http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2696844...ts-and-reaction Most concerning to me are the comments from Alabama's team doctor. ---------------- "Jonathan has really played without symptoms in his shoulders, and it's something that has not affected his performance or function," Cain said. "It doesn't have to be treated during the season. And he's had a couple of great years." ---------------- Sometimes what isn't said matters more. If he doesn't need treatment during the season it sure sounds like he needs treatment every off-season. It's hard to build strength when you can't lift so maybe we're already seeing the effects of that "treatment". There is nothing about the full-time nature of the NFL offseason and its 16 game regular season, playoffs, along with playing against bigger, stronger, and quicker players, that will make this easier for Allen to endure as he gets older. Allen's strength is his base and his first-step quickness. Unfortunately he doesn't have enough of that quickness and speed to live on the edge as a pass rusher in the NFL as Solomon Thomas does. If he did, the shoulders might be less of a concern simply because he could win some downs on speed alone. Making a living in the trenches might require him to be on a snap count somewhat early in his career. If that happens it isn't all bad because most teams rotate DTs quite a bit anyway. He'd make our defense better on day 1 and he might have a great rookie season. If that happens someone will point out what we missed but I think his ture value plays out 4 years down the road. Your top 3 pick needs to be a player you absolutely expect to sign to a massive 2nd contract.

FWIW Mayock has him listed as the 5th best TE in this class. While most of the pundits see him as 4th/5th Rd Mayock's got him as a 3rd/4th Rd prospect. OTOH Mayock has Everett ahead of him and I prefer Kittle over Everett. I don't like Everett that much regardless.

He ran a 4.52 forty at the combine and it shows on the field where he is quick to get open and can threaten defenses deep down field. He is an aggressive inline blocker, not the strongest and often gets himself overextended. That's correctable and at least his heart is in it. I think there should be more talk about drafting him and I think he'd be a good fit in the role Miller plays in our offense. https://www.landof10.com/iowa/iowa-tight-en...inating-blocker

I see no magic bullet making this a playoff caliber team. Take BPA and if that ends up all defense so be it. If it ends up all offense so be it. It won't be the worst draft if we trade back a bit and end up with a WR (Davis), QB (Kizer), OT (Garcia), TE (Leggett), WR ((Westbrook/Switzer), RB (Hill), OT (Ugokwe). We'd have to trade back to fit the value to some of those picks but whatever. Figure the trade back nets one more 2nd Rd pick and we grab a CB (Awuzie). Drafting two WRs might mean Kendall Wright goes back into FA. That's not necessarily how I want the draft to go but it's quite possible. Glennon might be very happy throwing to White/Davis/Meredith/Wheaton/Switzer, with TEs Leggett/Miller.

All I can find on their site are the pre-combine rankings.

No worries on the link I'm familiar with Bearswire. I agree with most of his assessment but I prefer to take the higher ceiling on the edge player without the health risk we'd incur with Allen. I think the floor for both players is pretty similar although Allen is more prepared to step in day 1, so he will have the better rookie season. OTOH, as they said, Thomas faced double and sometimes triple teams on almost every down. Allen was far from the sole focus of the Oline and also benefitted from an outstanding secondary providing coverage downfield. Do I think Allen is a 10yr Pro Bowl player as he does? Not at all, because I don't see a guy who can beat double teams at the NFL level. He has neither the size/strength nor the quickness needed for that. Do I see Thomas as a 10yr Pro Bowl player? No but while he also does not have the size/strength beat a double team, he does have the quickness to do so at times. So both offer potential for a few Pro Bowl seasons, Thomas perhaps a couple more if he hits his upside. I think their run defense will be similar in performance, albeit from different spots on the Dline, but Thomas offers more pass rush potential.

I gave you one link to a former Ravens scout. Here's another link to a former scouts opinion and he has Allen behind Garrett, Thomas, and Barnett: http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap300000079...-by-position-20 I'm entirely open to other sources if you provide them. Of course I'm biased by my own opinion of what I saw Allen do in the CFB playoffs, where he didn't look like a guy who will dominate NFL Olines.

I think there is a lot more debate about Allen's value after the combine where he showed he just doesn't have any special physical traits. Most boards have dropped him back a bit to between 5 and 10. He's still a very good football player and absolutely is an upgrade for our roster. With the injury concerns it is safe to think the Bears have him graded down a bit as well. Just a couple examples: http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2700859...-big-board-more http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap300000079...17-nfl-draft-30 That leaves a two-way race between Thomas and Adams with Hooker on the outside. Watch for the Bears to schedule a visit with Hooker closer to the draft to check on his health. Fournette might be the wild card we were hoping for and if teams are willing to trade up for him that bodes well for us. Even if they trade with SF then it leaves us choosing among Thomas and Adams. If we drop back to 6-10 then almost every position is a possibility: CB Lattimore, DE Allen, ILB Foster, QB Trubisky, FS Hooker, TE Howard, WR Corey Davis, WR Mike Williams. End up closer to the middle of the 1st Rd and you can OT to that list.

I'd love to take him in the 4th but if we were to trade back to mid-3rd or a bit later I would be ok taking Sidney Jones in the 3rd. Of course trading back in the 2nd Rd should yield the same pick in the latter part of the 3rd Rd. The early 3rd Rd pick is too soon IMO and should yield a player who can contribute this year.

2nd Rd pick out the door.

I don't see an early QB run but I think there could be a few QBs taken between 10-20. That depends on any combination of trade scenarios. If Bears trade back to mid-1st then they might then go QB, I don't see us taking a QB #3 overall. Cleveland is already sitting there at #12. Houston could have a strong preference for one QB and trade up. Arizona is in there. Washington has questions surrounding Cousins long term. New Orleans sitting at #11? Teams will definitely view Cleveland as going QB at #12. If they really want one of the QBs then they may feel its best to play defense and trade up into the top 10 to get their guy. I'm not sure they'd want to go all the way up to #3 overall. What could make things interesting is that yesterday Charley Casserly said that Fournette is the 1A talent in this draft right behind Garrett. Casserly is very well connected around the league and he's a very good talent evaluator. He thinks Fournette is likely to go to Jax at #4 and teams may want to trade up ahead of them to take him. There is no way Cleveland is not taking Garrett #1. That means teams can either trade up with SF or Chi. If he's correct #3 might not be a bad spot to be in. Who might move up for Fournette? Carolina from #8, and that would be a deadly pairing with Cam's ability to run. Titans from #5; perfect compliment to an improving young QB and they have extra picks. Jets at #6 overall who seem destined for QB purgatory and might want to establish a solid running game. Chargers at #7 not sure. I"m not sure if there's at team after #10 that would want to make that big of a move for a RB. None are a big drop back for the Bears which is very attractive IMO. At #8 taking Trubisky looks a lot better but we might also have Hooker still available, Allen who I think will fall a bit, or reach a bit for Ramczyk.

I've been on board that OLB/LDE is a need for us. If he checks out medically he seems like a good option for Rd 2.

I agree. I've watched some game tape on him and he just doesn't stand out above the next 5-7 CBs that much. Add in the injury risk and any gap closes. Like Killa says...there still is some debate on who the top CB is.

I agree there but for that impact we have to find one that drops to us in Rd 2. Even in Rd 3 someone like Garcia is a project who will not help much in his rookie season. I like Bolles too and if either he or Ramczyk are there in Rd 2 we should take them.

I'm just curious why there is no discussion, or someone promoting Lattimore with the 3rd pick? He's clearly the top rated CB in this draft with a grade nearly as high as the top two safeties. Traditionally CB has higher value than Safety so it seems some among us would be on the soap box for him. Is it because of his hamstring injury history? Depth at the position in the draft? Or because we signed two FA CB so the need is a bit less? Most here agree with the idea of taking a CB in Rd 2. Is Lattimore just not good enough to warrant the 3rd overall pick? If we trade back, at what point does he enter the discussion considering favorites here are largely Allen, Thomas, Adams, or Hooker? If any of those are still on the board are they the pick or when does Lattimore enter the discussion? 6th overall? 10th?

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