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I like Vernon Butler as a 2nd Rd DT. Size and length that we need at DE, plus he's very strong and quick. He needs to work on his technique but the tool box is there to mold him into a very good player. Fangio did good things with Goldman, another player who relied on his strength in college, and coached him into a decent pass rusher late in the season. Sign Jets DT Damon Harrison in FA and you're looking at a very stout defensive front with enough power/quickness to push the pocket. http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/nfl-dra...heads-for-north Ragland isn't my favorite pick at #11 but we could do far worse than grabbing him in Rd 1 and Butler in Rd2. There will be a lot more toughness up the middle.

No, you aren't, but the problem is he's only a KR and apparently can't catch punts very well (or he'd have been out there doing it). Why keep a roster spot for a WR/KR when you also have to find someone to return punts? PR is more important since there are more chances to return those than kicks.

Comparing athletes from different eras isn't always fair because sports science has improved a lot over the last 30 years. You just can't directly compare raw performance numbers (weight, speed, etc.). However it's safe to say that if those players were able to take advantage of what we know today in terms of training they'd be just as dominate.

When we get to day 3 of the draft one of the positions we need to fill is KR and especially PR. I'd have no problem if we took chance with Braxton Miller. He's dynamic with the ball in his hands and he can contribute on special teams early in his career while he learns how to be a WR. http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap300000062...n-put-on-a-show Bucky Brooks » Ohio State WR/PR Braxton Miller is the most natural punt returner that I've seen in years. He catches the ball effortlessly with his hands and looks like a veteran judging the ball in the air. With Miller also displaying improved route-running skills and impressive ball skills, he could make an immediate impact as a multipurpose playmaker.

He was rumored to be in the running for QB coach. We hired Ragone. I think Groh wanted to move on to a place where he had more input into the game planning. Can't blame him from a career standpoint he needs to make that step.

I like Ramsey more as a FS for the same reason, plus he's a bit soft in run support on the edges. He has the size to deliver good hits and sometimes will but he often hesitates to close quickly on running plays especially when there is traffic in front.

Disagree. The high school highlights were entertaining but even there it was clear his foot speed/quickness isn't that great. I watched the Oklahoma game that queued up next and I see him struggling to get off blocks. He does have good strength and can hold his ground on most plays but he's just not quick enough to get the edge on a blocker and I don't think that will get better at the NFL level. Honestly I'd rather not draft him in any round. We already have guys like Ferguson, Unrein/Jenkins (assuming we re-sign them) that offer as much or more IMO. DT is deep in this draft but my favorite by far is Buckner. I think he has the talent to become a star player in the league. In your other thread you asked what elite talent we wanted to fall to us. After Jack, then Stanley, next up for me would be Buckner. I think all 3 players have Pro Bowls in their future.

My wish list: 1) Myles Jack as long as his knee checks out. I haven't moved off this guy as perfect fit of talent and huge need. While he might not be the biggest player at LB he is very stout going against Oline blocks using his arms to maintain leverage. After watching the Patriots do all they could to isolate RBs against Denver's LBs on the outside that would never be a concern with Jack on the field. He'll be a stud covering RBs , TEs, and even some WRs. 1a) Stanley. After watching video of him in several games I was very impressed with his athleticism and his vision to pick up stunts/blitzes/whatever comes his way even if it meant shifting his position to block two players. That's very rare ability, at least in what I've seen. He's got some stuff to work on but he has a good attitude toward improving his game and NFL coaching will help him fix it. That kind of talent at LT is a huge plus for any offense. If he can play RT that helps our depth because Stanley can be backup RT and we keep Leno as backup OT primarily for LT (he can't play on right side). I like where we sit at #11 because there is a good chance one of these studs falls to us. What happens at the Senior Bowl will go a long way toward making this happen: Keep an eye on Carson Wentz!

I don't think Fackrell is an ILB. Way back in his high school games I never saw that sudden impact (talking hitting here) you want from that spot. He was more fluid and comfortable in space and it's why I think OLB in our D fits him better. He's a little bit like Willie Young with his length and long stride, but he's far more mobile and can turn and run when he's covering guys. He's not Von Miller quick off the snap but when he learns how to leverage his length to get his hips around the edge and then shed I think he'll be very productive as a pass rusher. But that will take time and he's going to need more strength. With questions like these plus his knee injury it'll be interesting to see how he performs at the combine as I think those drills will sort out what round he falls into and maybe, as we debate it here, what position he is drafted to play. Just to fire up the troops... http://www.idahostatesman.com/sports/colle...le49992560.html Now 6-foot-5 and 250 pounds with terrific athleticism, Boise State’s coaches compared Fackrell to their former first-round pick Shea McClellin, who is a starting linebacker for the Bears.

Grasu was a bit disappointing to me too but he wasn't horrible and IF we had a quality RG next to him I think things would have looked better. As it was the merry-go-round he faced on his right side couldn't have helped him.

More props for Goldman and Amos... http://www.chicagobears.com/news/article-1...ae-480e845a0bd2

Daniel Jeremiah lists Fackrell as the 28th best prospect in the draft. Much will change between now and the draft but this kid was once considered a potential top 20 pick but his knee injury a year ago had him off the radar. Another guy I liked in Rd 2, Jonathan Bullard, he has listed at 40th and on many other boards he's moved up well into the 1st Rd. He's got 11 or 12 DTs in his top 50 (depending on where you list Bosa). That's a lot of depth at DT and the order these guys get picked will depend on team needs (i.e. run stuffer) and scheme. http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap300000062...-2016-nfl-draft

In my heart I'd rather have a CB or any number of positions in the 3rd Rd, but reality is that a great kicker has more value to winning in this league than any player/value you are likely to get at any other position in the 3rd RD. Then there is the value of not giving up any KR TDs if he can always get you a touchback. Noted in the analysis is hang time on kickoffs, not something we see much of, so even if they return the kick chances are you're coverage unit is in better position to make the tackle. http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players.../roberto-aguayo Then there is what we can do with that $4mil.

Just makes it more likely Trevathan hits the market. Broncos have a tough decision to make regarding Peyton especially after winning yesterday.

You'll have to explain what you're seeing out of Craven's to warrant a 2nd Rd pick, at least as a LB. I watched a couple of Craven's games and I'm not that impressed. USC vs. Stanford and USC vs. Notre Dame. I see a guy who is a good college player but he's easily blocked by either Oline, TE, or FB. He seems to be a disciplined player, sets the edge, hits the right gap, etc. but I don't see a lot of speed or quickness to get around blocks, and not a lot of strength to get through them. He's a good tackler, he's ok in coverage. USC used him all over the field, DE/OLB, slot coverage, Safety. I think he'd be at his best as a SS, maybe lining up more in-the-box. At ILB he looks like another SMC. I think the comparison to the Cardinals Bucannon is valid in terms of their skill set. While I realize what the Cards do with Bucannon I don't want a 211lb ILB. Bucannon does well on some plays but on others he gets washed out of position. It's kind of a boom or bust proposition. Using a guy like Bucannon/Cravens in the box is good option on passing downs that can both cover and tackle. When you go against a strong running game on early downs he's not meant for battling around the Oline the way guys like Ragland, or even Timu, can.

Joking? You don't think I want Ryan Pace to consult with me? If he ever does, I'll put in a good word for you.

You might want to read my posts from a couple weeks back where I said I wanted to move Long back to RG where he can dominate the LOS and find a FA to play RT. FWIW I'm still upset the coaches didn't consult with me on this, not even so much as a courtesy call from Ryan Pace. If that is in fact their decision I still think his Pro Bowl selection will validate it in their eyes (not mine), and I think it ends the debate for them.

Coaches already came out and said he'll be staying there. I think this just validates that. If not in our eyes, at least in theirs.

Congrats to Kyle! This should end all debate about where he plays next season, unless we're talking about a move to the left side. I'd keep him where he is as teams no longer have their dominant pass rushers always coming from RDE spot. Besides that, it seemed the more speed he faced the more he struggled.

I know you weren't advocating this position but it sparked some thoughts on the whole catering to Cutler theme... It's not clear to me why we wouldn't want to keep continuity in a system where Cutler has had his best year in many statistical categories. Belichick caters to Brady's strengths with the spread offense and short passing game, he's labeled a genius. Harbaugh caters to Kaepernick's strengths with the read-option and he's a genius. Ken Whisenhunt was a genius when he allowed his offense to cater to Kurt Warner's strengths. He was no longer a genius when he spent too much to get Kolb, a QB with no strengths to cater to, and he failed. Packers get credit all the time for always keeping the same offense year after year. Now we finally had two guys in Loggains and Gase who got through to Cutler to just play it smart, and he did. Why it took so damn long we'll never know but I personally think Cutler himself had a lot to do with it. Part of that might have been the huge guaranteed contract that basically said you get all this whether your good or not so no need to worry about the stats anymore, and he decided to try something different. Regardless, if Fox feels Loggains is ready to ascend to this role under his supervision, and maintaining continuity with his QB and the rest of the offense is certainly a legitimate reason for wanting this, then why not? I don't think Loggains will light it up this year but I also don't feel like there will be a terrible step backward into the unknown.

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As this draft process gets underway more and more questions about NKemdiche come to light. Given where we pick I prefer to stay away simply because there will be better options, much better options. It's way early but most likely there will be two QBs taken ahead of us. Which two I don't know but if that happens someone very talented falls to us. Plus we're not in the spot to afford a big question mark in attitude on a rebuilding team, at least not from a #1 pick, and this guy causes some issues in the locker room. Right now I see Jerry Jones drafting a QB with his first pick. When Nkemdiche falls into the 20's I see him trading up to get him to replace Greg Hardy.

Right now Drafttek has us taking Stanley at #11. I just watched a few games on Stanley (Clemson, OSU, Texas) and I'd be perfectly happy if we signed Osemele and drafted Stanley. Stanley has a couple things to work on with anchoring better at times but that's easily fixed. He's a heck of an athlete with great vision, great hands, and very quick on his feet. At times he's covering blitzes with one arm on two pass rushers. No issues at all having that Oline.

Players I'd like to see back in order of priority: Jeffrey. He'll be tagged if needed but I think we come to an agreement on a long term deal before we get that far. Zach Miller: Should be relatively cheap and a 3yr deal seems reasonable with maybe 1/3 guaranteed. Prosinski: His might be a 1 year deal but special teams coverage got a whole lot better once he was signed. As a backup S he's serviceable and that gives him some more value than just a pure special teams guy. There's going to be more high turnover at the bottom end of our roster and he can be the guy who brings continuity to our coverage teams. Porter: I'm not as enamored with Porter as others are but I think we need to sign him simply because we have nothing much at CB. I'm not breaking the bank for him either but I don't think he'll get that much interest around the league. There isn't a lot of talent at CB in FA so it will be interesting to see what else we do. I'm sure we'll sign at least one other starting quality FA. We may see two CBs drafted. SMC: I wouldn't guarantee him a starting job but I'd bring him back to compete. We really have nothing here and need some continuity. I like Timu but his range is limited. I don't see Timu or SMC as more than backups long term. We need to sign a starter in FA and draft another guy to compete for a starting role. Unrein: I thought he played well for us and would like to see him back to compete for a spot. Jenkins: I put him on par, or just slightly behind Unrein. He played great early then sort of disappeared. Bring him back and let him compete. Might be interested depending on.. Montgomery...ideally we draft or sign someone to be our starter at RG. Osemele! I see Grasu as the starter at Center and think the team will be good with Slauson as the backup there, or possibly the rookie or FA we sign also has backup C experience. Forte....I'd love to see him back but don't want the big money contract for an aging RB. I expect Pace let's Forte test the market and then see's if he wants to match. Jacquizz Rodgers...why not bring him back? He did enough early on to backup Forte. He's cheap so let him compete for that 2nd/3rd spot again. Sign him early while we wait to see what happens with Forte. Housler...another 1yr no commitment deal can't hurt if the team liked what he did late in the season. Mundy....hard to get a read on what the coaches thought of him but I think Fangio wants more range in his safeties than what Mundy offers. He fell down the depth chart quickly in camp before the injury so I doubt he's back. OTOH we don't have depth at Safety. Not interested: Ball...waste of $3mil McManis....he was not that good on special teams coverage and he was not good as a DB. Acho...Houston and Young out performed him by a lot. McPhee is locked in as one starter and we need a real speed element to the outside rush and that's not what Acho offers. Ducasse....just sign Osemele and we'll work to forget Ducasse was ever on our roster. Mariani....KR/PR not good. Slot WR was just ok but we're rebuilding here and need to draft a late Rd returner/slot guy.

I happen to agree that Cutler is a top 15 QB. I guess that makes me delusional as well. I won't use QBR since we've proven that to be complete BS. Even ESPN cites it only when it "fits" the narrative. Total yards: Cutler is 19th but missed most of two games, and is 250yards from the 15th spot. For comparison Aaron Rodgers is 17th with two more games played. I feel comfortable that he'd be right at 15th, or better, if we had something closer to a 2 starting WRs playing most games instead of practice squad guys being out there. Comp%: Cutler is tied for 12th among qualified QBs (meaning need enough attempts) with Brady and Flacco. Notables below Cutler on this list are: Peyton Manning, Eli Manning, Palmer, Tannehill, Carr, Rodgers, Cam Newton, and Andrew Luck. Yards/att: Cutler is 11th. Notables below him are: Ryan, Rivers, Bridgewater, Stafford, Carr, P. Manning, Flacco, Rodgers, and Luck. INTs: hard to sort out the "qualified" QBs and actual ranking but Cutler had 11 INTs which puts him somewhere in the middle of the pack. Worse than him are: Luck, Flacco, Carr, Stafford, Rivers, Matt Ryan, Roethlisberger, Manning brothers (again). Better than him: Newton, Rodgers, Bridgewater, Wilson, and Brady INT/Attempt: 20th INT/game: 11th in the league. Yds/game: Cutler is 23rd. Cutler will never be Brady on the INT front but I think he can get to the same performance level the Cardinals are getting out of Carson Palmer. I've watched a lot of Carson Palmer when he was throwing more INTs than Cutler in recent years.