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To be fair Shane Ray wouldn't be duplicating anyone we already have on the roster but yes, the Shelton momentum continues. Bud Depree? Having us pick another LB who doesn't play with good instincts. That is truly mocking the draft.
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I re-watched it and much later in the press conference he listed a mistake of taking a player just to fill a need and how that negatively impacted the roster for years. He cautioned strongly against not taking BPA. I don't think he's going to diverge much from BPA just to fill a need especially when you consider he is not a win-now mode that would drive that kind of a decision (see SMC and Lovie). If you have very close ratings on players then I'm sure he'd go with the need. When you look at our defense there are needs at every level so BPA there is no brainer IMO. Offense less so but the draft is shaping up to nicely fit BPA and one of our needs.
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We should be looking at everybody.
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If our GM is a true BPA guy then there should be no reason he wouldn't sign Knighton and then draft Shelton (assuming he's BPA).
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I agree with you here. First 5 are a given and we are sitting at a great spot at #7. Aside from someone being desperate to trade up and grab one of the top 5 players this is likely where the trading action starts as value starts to balance out against needs. Shane Ray has the potential to blow up the combine. If he does run in the 4.4s he's a clear top 10 and maybe even garners some top 5 consideration.
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A month ago he wasn't anywhere to be found in top 10 draft picks. Back then almost every mock draft had us taking S Landon Collins. Now I find Shelton on a quite a few mocks for the Bears pick. http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/mock-dr...rt/dane-brugler http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/mock-dr...expert/rob-rang http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/mock-dr...pert/pat-kirwan http://www.walterfootball.com/draft2015charlie.php
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Looks like he's an h-back type. From the two games I watched he seems to be a good blocker. Sounds like he dropped too many passes in camp last year for the Eagles so they cut him and Emery signed him. Gase hasn't used a FB for two years so my wish for one might not come true. Maybe we'll run more h-back stuff with a guy like Annen. http://draftbreakdown.com/video/blake-annen-vs-purdue-2013/
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Aside from the obvious measureables this gives the players and teams a chance to get together in one spot and meet. This is going to largely be guys that are 3rd tier FAs on the verge of being out of the league, or maybe 2nd tier guys who need to show they are healthy or getting healthy.
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I see your points but I'm in line with others here in that if, as you say, we are on nothing but a 3 year plan then burn the bridges now and cut guys like Cutler, Forte, Allen. Might as well get as much cap space as possible in 2016. I just don't see our roster as being that bad and unable to compete. So while the draft will play out on a 3 year plan I don't think we go at Free Agency that way at all. Carey is not really a power runner who can run people over but he is an inside runner who is good at finding the little gaps to squeeze into and has the leg drive to gain positive yards. At least in college he was. I didn't see enough of him last year to get a good feel for how productive he can be in short yardage situations but I think he can do it if given enough reps to get a feel for the game. ILB is far too big a need regardless of what defensive scheme we go to and must be addressed in a significant way either through FA or draft and likely both. Given what Pace has said about filling in gaps via FA so he can go BPA in the draft I'd say we see a 2nd tier FA who has been a starter like David Harris. I'd take the money from Mark Ingram and use it for defense. If we're going 3-4/hybrid I think Terrance Knighton makes a lot of sense for us as a FA. He's not going to be that expensive and we have nobody on the roster like him. Those two moves make our inside defense much stronger. A RB can be found later in the draft, or bring in a lower cost FA.
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I agree on keeping Cutler as there are just so few options in the draft or FA. I expect to see Clausen as our backup again this year and another player brought in to compete with him and Fales for a roster spot. I do not care for Jake Locker as I watched him all through college and while he's a phenomenal athlete he just doesn't read defenses well. RB…don't see us spending big money in FA here. I don't know what Ingram's market will be, I know it won't be huge but he should be in enough demand to put him beyond the price range I want to spend. I wouldn't rule out a FA RB, perhaps Vereen, but avoid the big expense and keep that cash for defense. Draft a RB in the 4th or 5th Rd to fit in the mix. Carey is an inside runner, he's very quick and that's where he can be most productive and as far as I can tell that fits what Fox likes to do. He should get a chance to compete for the #2 role in camp. WRs…there is no way I see Marshall getting cut. He's still a very productive receiver and, equally important to this new coaching staff, he's an excellent run blocker. Running is going to be a big part of what we do next year. We'll continue to pair him with Jeffrey on the outside but will add a speed guy to compete with Wilson. I actually wouldn't mind some spending some FA cash on this position because I think it's key to getting our offense less predictable. Randall Cobb would fit in well but he's likely getting a huge payday and he's not coming here to be a #3 WR. Eddie Royal fits the bill IMO…2nd tier FA money and different skill set from Marshall/Jeffrey. If that doesn't work out there isn't another good FA fit for what we need so in that case this would likely to be a Rd 4-6 draft pick. Colleges run spread offenses everywhere now and good speed WRs are now available late into the draft. Backup TE: Likely a FA pickup as you state. OL: I don't think they move Long to LT. You have a guy who has been a Pro Bowl player at OG 2 years straight. Why mess with success? We don't know how he'll handle the transition back to LT. I do agree he can play out there just not sure how well he'll do. I don't think De LaPuente returns as a starter, maybe as a backup. Pace was in charge of pro personnel in NO and had to be one in the front office with the most input to letting him test the open market. Yes, NO wanted him back once he had trouble finding work. Again, he had trouble finding work last year so I think we're over-valuing one of our players. I think we're fine at OG with Slausson and Long. OC can be ok even with Garza but wouldn't be surprised to see us go after another FA here. I am totally open to grabbing a LT with #7 overall. Love the idea of Bushrod at RT and someone like Peat at LT, a big man who is mobile and a nasty run blocker. Not sure his value is there at #7 but I don't think Mills is starting material. Either way it happens, many here see a need to do something at LT and these are players you have to get early in the draft or not at all.
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All I remember is once he decided where he needed to go he got there in a hurry and people knew he had arrived. He was clearly thinking a lot early on and reacting late, or very late. Late in the season I focused on him sometimes and his pass coverage was good, clearly would get better as his play recognition improves. This coaching staff will know where to put him and I won't argue either way. If he goes to OLB and we draft Shane Ray for the other side I'd be very happy. I certainly wouldn't worry much about any team running a two TE set against us because either of these guys can get around the blocks or handle the pass coverage. Bostic is pretty fast too, if only he knew where to go. ILB might help him by reducing the scope of what he needs to do but I don't think he'll be able to get off blocks well enough. Cornelius Washington and even SMC have speed and they figure to be in the OLB mix as well which could give us a decent rotation if at least one of them progresses.
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I liked Louis-Jean. He didn't play that well but he didn't that poorly either. Considering the huge jump up from his college competition he still looked like he belongs on the field but needs another year or two to hit his full potential. Many forget he came out early and he's just 21. Pace put him on a contract for 2 more years.
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Why have one of the best RB in the NFL if you won't run it in from the 1yd line? 3 tries to go 1 yd with Beast Mode. I'm liking the odds. One of the worst offensive play calls I've ever seen.
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A new GM is thinking on a 3 year horizon and he's going to want to get his young players out on the field for experience as soon as possible. Fox might be thinking on a little shorter horizon. If Tillman wants to be a starter that will make bringing him back tougher. He might earn a starting job in camp but if he wants it guaranteed up front I would see that as a sticking point with this new front office and coaching staff.
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Right now from what I've seen in highlights it's between Shelton and Shane Ray. Edge pressure is harder to get versus finding a guy who can command a double team at NT so I'm taking Ray. I was searching the web for some more feedback on Ray and came across this from Bucky Brooks. He's not saying anything different from what most here think but at the end he compares him to Junior Galette of the Saints. So once again we have to consider Saints draft history and how that relates to our new GM evaluating players. Size wise they are similar but Galette ran a 4.86 forty, Ray supposedly will run 4.5-4.6. http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-draft/0ap300...rison-Shane-Ray Some of what I've seen from Scherff makes me wonder if he'll handle elite speed off the edge in the NFL. Why isn't Leonard Williams on this list? He's a top 5 player on any list I look at and we have zero difference makers on our defense right now. I have no reason to think to our new GM, who says he goes BPA, will be swayed by the fact we drafted two DTs last year. I don't think it matters if we're in 4-3 or 3-4 this guy can play. He's young yet people talk about him being a perennial Pro Bowl player. Or is the assumption that he'll be gone no matter what? http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/big-board 1. Leonard Williams, DT, 6-4, 290, Jr., Southern California: Strong, athletic and passionate, the Trojans star is earning comparisons to everyone from Houston Texans defensive end J.J. Watt to Tampa Bay Buccaneers defensive tackle Gerald McCoy for his ability to dominate the line of scrimmage while alternating between defensive tackle and defensive end. He's too quick for guards and too strong for tackles, wreaking havoc along the line of scrimmage against the run and pass.
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I like Shane Ray. He's young and gets moved around a bit but his burst off the edge is excellent. He seems to have the arm length needed to get off blocks but doesn't have any apparent counter moves that I saw. Nothing new there for a young guy just coach him up. If we were in 4-3 D I'd say he's not big enough to play DE but if we're going 3-4 he seems like a very good fit and could do for us what Matthews does up in Green Bay. Here is one thing I love about him. At the end of this game his team is winning 42-13 with just 27 seconds left in the game. Watch him hustle and block the extra point. It's hard to find guys who will hustle on a meaningless play like that. http://draftbreakdown.com/video/shane-ray-vs-florida-2014/
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Tillman didn't find much on the market last year although he had some suitors. I respect him a lot and I don't think he's BSing with his statements but he's also looking for a job after two seasons ended up on IR. Briggs was horrible for us last year, moody and petulant, the same traits the people criticize Cutler for endlessly, yet he's looking for a job too. Years ago his market was far smaller than he thought it would be and he ended up back with the Bears albeit with a really good contract. What coach is out there saying he really wants Briggs in his LB meeting room for the leadership he brings? Tillman is a very risky decision but he'd get vet min offer from me. In his 13th season that should still be a good paycheck and gives Bears a lower cap hit. Briggs would get nothing.
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…and here I thought you'd count us all in as part of your scouting team.
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The only thing I get from this is that Pace sees that our WR corps needs a speed element added to it. So in just two weeks he's caught up to the level of what the TalkBears message board says we need in a WR. Have we got any other advice for our new GM?
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With new coaching staff in Place, Briggs wants back
AZ54 replied to DABEARSDABOMB's topic in Bearstalk
Bring back the guy who admitted he blew off film study? Don't want him in the room with the young guys at all. If he can't even focus on that given the team sticking with a similar scheme in part for him then why would I think he'll put the effort into learning a brand new system? The team has the perfect way out with the likely transition to 3-4 and they should take it. -
I haven't seen anyone anywhere on the planet say the Patriots beat the Colts because of the football pressure.
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Belichick is often trading back because he's picking 25-32 in the 1st Rd. Talent grades from there through mid-2nd Rd usually don't vary much. When you are picking #7 overall you should have a shot at a blue chip player and simply trading back just to get more picks doesn't make sense if it takes you out of the range of the elite players in the draft. The one draft this clearly wasn't true was when we draft Benson and that may have been the worst year ever to have a top 5 pick. We don't have a single blue chip player, much less a Pro Bowl player, anywhere on our defense so IMO if Pace has Shelton ranked as BPA and he's grading him as a blue chip player then we should draft him. We can figure out the other pieces later. None of this is to say that I think Shelton is or should be our pick. I'm watching his film against Hawaii and he's not that impressive but what he does on this highlight film is pretty good.
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I will wait to hear the physics professor explain why there was no similar loss of air pressure on the other side of the field.
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I started using Draftbreakdown last year and I like the site. Full game tape, not just highlights so in 5min you see 60 plays. That makes it's easier to see beyond the player's numbers and hype and get the rest of the story.