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Interesting thoughts thanks for posting it. As far as Trestman knowing offense like crazy: We still gotta call running plays. That softness just carries over to the game plans. I'm not missing Peppers at all. Allen has replaced his lack of edge rush equally well for about $5mil less (this is not a compliment). That at least brought in Willie Young and Ratliff who were the best FA pickups on defense.

Merry Christmas and happy holidays for all as you celebrate this special time with friends and family.

It has been a great run. This offseason things will settle down and we'll all look back at the great memories Briggs and Urlacher gave us over the years.

Not sure why it doesn't matter who replaces him when you ask how we came to this conclusion. If the discussion is about replacing him or not it does matter what the other options are. You don't want physical traits either. You just want to know where he excels. I don't think he excels at anything except that he is physically tough. I've seen him take a lot of hard hits, one from Suh in particular comes to mind, and get back in the huddle. Beyond that I think he's good at a lot of things.

1 game and rightfully so. http://espn.go.com/chicago/nfl/story/_/id/...ed-one-game-pay

Clausen looked good considering it was his first crack at it. Take away that veneer and OTOH the offense looked the same. Clausen should have been picked off in the end zone. We had the INT late in the game….not a whole lot different than how many of our last drives end when Cutler is the QB. Now whatever Clausen did to get Tucker to play aggressive man coverage on the corners...I like that. We know what Clausen did (or couldn't do in the passing game) to get Trestman to call more running plays. But that begs the question: If it's a lack of productive QB play that drove him to call those runs why wasn't that done when Cutler was under center and playing poorly? Where's Chucky? I want to know if it's Clausen's fault we had false starts? Or dropped passes? That was Jeffrey's worst game since we drafted him and had he played as he normally does Clausen may have looked like a good.

Torn achilles injuries usually take a full year or more to return to normal, if the player ever returns to normal. Willie might be back early in the year but he won't be the same. I'd say he's a likely candidate for the 6 week PUP list.

It's early in this process. Teams are out there looking for a screaming good deal. We don't have to do anything but sit back and wait because our position does not change between now and March..except for what we do with the organization.

Interesting point. I think he would take a pay cut to stay in Chicago but not with this coaching staff. That would only happen if we brought in someone proven and if Cutler liked him. At this point there can be no discussion of that. His options..stay in Chicago with BMarsh and Jeffrey as his main WRs or get traded to a rebuilding team. I know what I'd prefer.

If Tenn offers their 1st Rd pick for Cutler I'm taking the deal. I do agree we should let things settle before making a decision on a trade and if these coaches are gone then let the next HC decide. There is still plenty of time to get all that done before the draft or during the draft. And where is that draft going to be held? Chicago! What perfect timing for the league and the ratings on that show. If we get a new HC not only should he be involved in the decision to trade Cutler but you also want him involved in the decision in case there are other players involved. We don't know what schemes a new HC wants to run and what players would fit. For now what I care about most is that this is generating some interest. The more rumors the better as far as I'm concerned because if we trade we need max value. I'd be a lot more concerned if there weren't any rumors.

The man who won a Superbowl with Trent Dilfer and drafted the QB to replace Dilfer that ended up getting Billick fired. Can't remember that QBs name.

The point is everyone is blaming Cutler for this mess including, at this point, Trestman because this is the only change he's made based on performance. We've got a lot more cleaning up to do, even on offense, than just Cutler. I'm not supporting Cutler for how he played on Monday night and said he should have been benched. If the HC couldn't see that at halftime but he suddenly felt his backup was the better option the next day something is very wrong. I'm the oddball because I felt Cutler could be our bridge QB until we got the right QB on the roster. I was happy that his contract gave us a way out after 2 and really 3 years. I read somewhere if we don't pay his $10mil roster bonus in March it is an easy out this year, not sure if that's true. We paid for that with a lot up front and I agreed that we paid too much. I thought we could at least have a good offense and rebuild our D so we could compete for a playoff spot for a couple seasons while Trestman had a year or two to find his gem of a QB. That thought is now completely gone. I don't subscribe like others that simply getting rid of Cutler fixes the offense. I don't believe that's the prevailing thought here on this board (we're all too smart) but is among the general fan population. I do believe somebody has to play the QB position and that history says the next man up is almost certainly going to be worse. I've lived through many years of it as a Bears fan and seen many years of it here in Arizona. Even with the Cards most recent signing of Carson Palmer I see so many boneheaded plays similar to Cutler's. Using Cutler as the bridge QB might not have been their plan, maybe it was just mine. I do believe that was a real possibility with the right management, the right coaching, the right play calling. If Trestman didn't like the INTs or mis-reads then maybe he should have called more run-only plays. Now this poorly run coaching staff (no pun intended) has completely blown that option out of the water. There is virtually no way to bring back Cutler to Chicago unless we hire one very head-strong coach who feels like I do that we'd win more having him for another year or two versus starting from scratch. I know that's really impossible now given what has transpired and that only just makes the emotional bitterness last longer. Hope sells more tickets. Anyway, any new HC knows he'll get more time to fix things if he jettison's Cutler. Then it's a complete rebuilding. While everyone celebrates that the wicked witch is gone I'm sitting here wondering what is the new QB plan? In this league nothing else matters. That's not entirely true but close enough to it that players like Andy Dalton get $16mil/yr. I highly doubt it is Clausen. It'll never be Fales, at best he's a Shane Matthews style #2/#3. Do we go the way Pete Carroll did and throw as many darts at it as we can? The wise men who praise him on TV for selecting Russell Wilson in the 3rd Rd ignore the fortune he paid to Charlie Whitehurst that same offseason. The draft doesn't seem deep at QB this year. Do we poach a backup off another team? If so, who is out there that is available and at what cost? Do we grab a guy like Sam Bradford? Do we go back to the Lovie style and just focus on defense first and hope our offense can score 17pts? I was serious when I asked for thoughts about RGIII a week ago.

Seeing it all today. Blaming Cutler for the Bears defense giving up 50pts. Cutler's fault because John Gruden (who couldn't find another coaching job after the way he ruined the Bucs) said it is Cutler's job to make sure guys like J'Marcus Webb know the snap count. Really? Must be same reason two WRs have a false start too. I'm sure it was his fault Groy and Forte chose to block nobody on a blitz on Monday night. Sorry but folks are flat out venting about everything this team has done wrong and focusing it all on one guy. So too are the coaches now. Cutler struggles to overcome criticism that is obvious to the world but statements that he is outworked by "Marshall" is based on what? The extra effort he put in the get clausen up to speed when he was signed late? He struggles to be patient and he kills the team with turnovers. Yes we overpaid for him but I don't think by 25% maybe more like 15% as I think he belongs in the Andy Dalton category at around $16mil/yr: You can win with them but won't win because of them. McCown has a similar setup in Tampa and has failed equally badly, if not worse. He was trending down as the Bears QB once teams got a read on how he was running the offense. I don't see anything that says we'd be much better off with him. Maybe a win, two max, but a playoff team? I've been sitting back and watching how Trestman handles tough times and now with benching Cutler this way I absolutely want Trestman gone. We know Kromer has been the leaker behind the Cutler rumors the last month or so. He didn't discipline Kromer at all but instead had him go public with a full apology. He has now gone full circle in stating (through his actions) that Cutler was the problem. I said it right after the game, it was Trestman's responsibility to get Cutler's head in the game and he clearly did nothing to make Cutler feel like he was the QB for now and the future. People will laugh and say why should he sugar coat it. After Kromer-gate you have to go out of your way to do that even if fans and others will criticize you for doing so. That's what being the leader means. At the other end of the spectrum I see Bruce Arians telling the world his team can win a Superbowl with Drew Stanton and Stanton is far worse than Cutler. Don't think reporters didn't chuckle when they heard that but he stood his ground and said it again. We all know Arians knows reality but he's managing his players. Another story and perhaps the better example although I can't remember who said this last week: Mike Holmgren when he decided to trade for Favre knew everyone in the organization was not on board but Holmgren told them all... This is it, we're going forward with this guy and everyone here has to help make him successful. If you don't like it get over it and support him or move on. I assume since he wasn't coddling his coaches about their feelings he also was tough on Favre. It's not that benching Cutler wasn't warranted after how he played but it would have been far better to pull him in the 2nd half of the game and let Clausen finish it out, or as stated by others, pull him in the middle of the other games when he played poorly. It was obvious from the first play against the Saints he didn't want to be out there, especially at a home game (IMO). Now doing this after rumors of the HC being fired reeks of the same petulance everyone here criticizes Cutler for. It's still the right thing to do if Cutler's heart isn't into it. Why wasn't Briggs benched when his heart wasn't into it and he showed up to training camp out of shape? I'd have dropped Briggs down the roster right then instead Trestman coddled him. Now that we see everyone ready to pack their bags we might as well see what we have in Clausen because at this point we have zero options for next year. I don't think Clausen will make Forte pick up a blitz better, or Ryan Groy (who was ok when he knew who to block). I can't see him helping Garza hold a block, or getting our young LBs to figure out that a screen pass is coming. We'll still be a bad team. I still feel Cutler is a QB you can win with (not because of) but now we're headed back to the QB merry-go-round. Yes, the coaches have to manage him but every team in the NFL, with rare exception, has to do that with their QB. Watch, we'll end up drafting Jameis Winston as the next head-case to play QB for us. Winston is talented enough to be the first pick overall but he's got enough baggage to fall to us. Ken Whisenhunt was a great coach when he had Kurt Warner starting but he couldn't make the decision to start him until the end of training camp. This is the toughest position to draft, coach, and play period. There is no more pivotal position in all of professional sports. Get it right and you are a good coach and GM for a decade. Get it wrong and…someone better be calling Mike Holmgren because he's gotten it right far more than he's gotten it wrong.

You are the first one to blast Emery for keeping Briggs around. He's taken a ton of heat for letting Urlacher go and I felt that was the right decision. Letting go of Briggs at the same time I don't think was warranted as Briggs was still productive. After his injury last season he never returned to form. Could have cut him in the offseason I suppose but we had nobody at LB. Same goes for DJ Williams. I think he was brought back for depth and experience and to compete for a starting job. Bostic nor SMC didn't step up and that left an opening for Williams to start. I don't know who we'd have had replace him but for sure this season I haven't been a big fan of how he has player or worked off the field. SMC is the 4th LB on the roster. With Briggs out, Williams out, do we go with Sharpton? IMO that's a draw and I'd rather have SMC out to continue to get experience. Who were you looking to get in place of Briggs and Williams?

That's what I was thinking…Coach P has been a head coach. Plus he's not the touchy-feely type and we need someone to bring some direction to this roster right now. However, if you fire Trestman (in part because of Kromer-gate) you can't put Kromer in charge of the offense. That won't fly with the players and would make the owners look even worse. Behind those two I don't think there is anyone who can run the offense. I think we're stuck with Trestman for 2 weeks. Consider the coaching staff gone. I think the more important early decision is about Emery. They need to let him know if he's staying now. If they let this drag on, or worse, decide several weeks into the offseason, then it drags out the head coaching search. We must be in the HC mix early because it's not just head coaches but good assistants we want as well. If we have to do a GM search in front of that then we better start it now. I think Emery stays in part because of the financial hit, however, he's also done some good things to go along with the bad. I'm 100% on board with Harbaugh being brought in. I wanted him back when he was at Stanford even before the national press talked about him. He hasn't done everything right in SF but coaches learn and improve their ways too. Even if he doesn't change, I'd live with 3 years of what the 49ers did prior to this season. They'd be in the playoff hunt again this year if they weren't missing some key players on defense. Dumb luck doesn't get you that deep in the playoffs three years straight.

I read that article yesterday and felt the same way. Emery was very much watching what happened (post Kromer-gate) and how the team responded to this incident. Getting away from his first draft that was horrible I think Emery has brought in some good players and found them at all levels from 1st Rd (Kyle Long - Pro Bowl) to UDFA's who appear to have a future with the team (Christian Jones, and maybe Al Louis-Jean). ESPN had a short segment on what's wrong with the Bears. Bill Polian said some interesting things about our defense: "They have to decide what they are. Are they a 2-gap or a 1-gap scheme up front? Are they zone coverage or man? He said when he watches film it seems like too often players are doing a mixture of schemes and that's why players look either lost or out of position.

How has he mis-scouted our internal talent? Is that all about Cutler? Or are you upset he brought back Tillman for another year? Signed Jennings to a new deal? Slausson to a new deal? Kept Briggs around? Signed Marshall to an extension? Should we have cut Paea before his fourth season? Should Emery not have signed Forte to his new deal? Garza's one year deal?

The first test post Kromer-gate is a big fat F. Not so much that we lost but the entire offense is lost out there. No passion, no energy. Too many missed assignments including a couple worthless blocks from Matt Forte. Cutler never had his head in the game, looked completely disheartened throughout. Everyone will blame Cutler but I doubt I could find anyone here who would enjoy going to work if their boss said they are or should not part of the future to the entire world. It was incumbent on Trestman to fix that and he failed.

Would have been hard not to win Bad Bears Bingo 3 or 4 times during this course of this game.

For one, if they were going to do that the time to do it was on day one or two when this leaked out. It's not as if Trestman couldn't simply step in and be the OC for the last 3 games anyway. So then, why go through this media storm if you don't have to? All you have to do is read this thread to know what the fan base feels. At least the majority of the fan base. I know I'm far less emotional over this than pretty much everything I've read here. I can't really say why that is either but it can be the result of the industry I've worked in for 20 years and maybe some Air Force background. Or maybe I'm just tuning out a bad season. Like any organization you keep someone who has screwed up around because you still feel it makes the organization better. Since he is still here I suspect Kromer has a lot of respect in the organization for what he's done with our Oline the last couple seasons. I share that sentiment especially this year with all the injuries. His comments on Cutler may have been so emotional in part because he felt that he was defending his Oline which has come under fire recently for the poor running game. That doesn't make it right and what he did was clearly the wrong way to handle things. The other factor for me is that I think the ownership is set on giving Trestman a 3rd season. I said when Pasqualoni was hired that I felt he was the backup plan for Tucker. We have no such plan or talent in place on the offensive side. Will the ownership, or Emery, setup a hot-seat coach who already has a DC on a 1 yr deal with an OC on a 1yr deal? If you are going to do that you might as well fire everyone now. From ownership's standpoint I think they want to stay the course another season with Trestman. Maybe I'm less emotional because I know it takes a lot of pressure to make a diamond. The question is will the mold break under pressure or will it hold. Most will say the mold just broke but I've seen numerous contentious situations that ended up working out very well long term once everyone got it all out on the table. It's not easy and takes good leadership to wade through those waters. Either way you'll never get there without the pressure and it's on max right now.

I'd be very surprised if Kromer is gone.

I'm not surprised to see DJ Williams on IR. His career is over. I applaud the move to sign a FB. I like having a FB on the roster and I think it helped our running game last year. It's a bit late but at least indicates we are looking at this for next season. http://chicagosuntimes.com/sports/bears-li...njured-reserve/

I wouldn't mind having DLP back next year. He was largely let go from the Saints because he couldn't run block. He did ok with us. De La Puente = From or Of the Bridge

Is he our starting center next year? Groy filled in decently for Ola last week once he got the first series jitters out of the way. Looking at his background and knowing he played FB at one point for Wisconsin which means he has to have some athleticism. Garza just doesn't move his feet as well as he used to and I think we need to address the center position this offseason. Taylor Boggs hasn't cracked the lineup and with all the injuries we've had there were plenty of opportunities to do so. Groy gets a 3 game tryout. http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/footb...1208-story.html

Just wondering if anyone here would make that deal and if so, why? I'm pretty sure up until Oct 1st of this year the answer was heck yeah. Now I doubt that's true. Outside of Mariota the QBs in the draft aren't that great. We know Snyder won't worry about taking on Cutler's contract and much like the Bears he needs to, or always wants to, do something to quickly turn his team around. For all his faults, Cutler will make their team better and likely much better than any of the rookie QBs they can draft. On our part it's the same…we're not going to be in a position to grab a good QB although we can take someone who needs a season or two to develop. I think this would all depend on if we felt ok if Clausen were our starter. In other words, we would let the Clausen and RGIII compete to be the starter. I don't know what has happened to RGIII. Right now he looks completely lost on the field. There is no discounting his physical talents but we've heard that for years about another QB. For sure RGIII needs a change of scenery and probably needs to step back from the spotlight and just go to work. I don't know that our offense under Trestman is a good fit for him.