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Great game prep material Noots, thanks.

Congrats! You've got 5 months to get him ready for the combine and we need Oline, S, WR and LB help.

That was a heck of a deal for Detroit! This season was lost anyway and Roy was never coming back. I only have one question: Can Roy Williams play CB?

Good stats on Orton. I agree he's been impressive beyond my expectations at this point; especially considering the Oline and the WR corps which were both considered poor at the start of the season. What I like best so far is that with each game he seems to become more comfortable in the offense. Early in the season he seemed to be forcing things to much and that led to some bad passes (not necessarily bad reads). In the last couple games he's made a some passes I didn't think he was capable of making, 15-20yd passes with some arc on the ball so it could drop in between defenders, and of course some better touch on the deep balls. Each game I feel more comfortable that we might have found our QB of the future. As for those who say they wished Kyle had been the starter all along I don't believe he earned it. When I hear reports of all his extra film study and additional time on the practice field I'm impressed. However, I have never heard any indication that he was willing to work like this early in his career. In fact, during his second season when Rex was named the starter he went into a shell and didn't work hard (he admitted this). Entering his third season he worked on his fundamentals and gave it a better shot but still couldn't unseat Rex or Griese but you get the feeling he wasn't too far behind. This year he knew he had his chance to be a starter, he worked to earn it and he won the job. I give him credit for not giving up but I also won't assume he'd be the same QB today if he didn't have to earn it. He's a professional now.

Isn't the reason for having Mike Brown on the field because he's so good at helping line up the other players so they know their assignments? If he's not helping the rookie CB on the next to last play of a game and then being that late in getting over to help out? Was he that surprised the Falcons tried to run a deep out pattern?

I agree completely, we aren't getting it done in the trenches on either side. Ryan had all day to throw. Forte is doing what he can behind this line IMO. As far as Kreutz declining, I think Tait declined faster.

This defense is all predicated on getting a good pass rush from the front four. If you don't have that it will ALWAYS look bad. Yesterday we had almost no pressure all day. On the other side of the ball it's hard to run when nobody can get any push on the Dline. Ignore the lucky stuff at the end of the game this game was won and lost in the trenches and we didn't deserve to win.

Clearly Maynard is or was fighting some injury but he must be healthy now that they feel they won't need Atterberry next week. As far as Hass who knows. Are we going to bring back Tyler Reed? He looked bad in preseason so I don't see a reason to put him on the practice squad. I'd rather give another Oline a chance to show something.

If we are going to make a change I'd like to see Williams at LT and move St. Clair to one of the guard positions. I think Beekman's been ok but not great but I think he's playing better than Garza.

Now they say the new guy is taking the practice reps. Practicing punting isn't the most strenuous thing to do unless you're hurt.

In the interest of showing there is no favoritism to what the talking heads do I wanted to see how Seattle and Detroit's defenses compare. Seattle 27th ranked pass defense, giving up 237 yards/gm. Detroit 32nd ranked pass defense, giving up 249 yards/gm. Seattle 24th ranked run defense, giving up 129.5 yards/gm. Detroit 30th ranked run defense, giving up 180 yards/gm. Overall Seattle ranked 27th in yards/gm, ranked 23 in points giving up 31/gm. Detroit ranked 32 in yards/gm, ranked 31st in points giving up 36.8/gm Seattle has played Buff, SF, STL (last in everything), and NYG Detroit has played ATL, GB, SF, CHI Both defenses are bad but given how horrendous St Louis (when Seattle only gave up 13pts) has been this year Seattle is probably just as a bad on defense as Detoit. IMO if Eli got the nod for his performance (267yd, 2TD, 76% comp) then Orton should have been listed in there too (334 yds, 2TD, 70.6% comp) especially when you consider that nobody can name our Oline while Giants are said to have the best Oline in the league; nobody can name our WR, and did I mention that we have a rookie RB starting?

If Orton's play against a bad defense doesn't count (I can see the logic) then how do you explain DeAngelo Williams being nominated for 126 yards against the Chiefs? Seems like a clear double standard to me.

You can say frigging on this board. So far so good with this kid let's hope he keeps his head on straight. Given that we can walk away from Harris' contract if he's not performing well I wonder if that will in fact motivate him to get his head on straight too. I think it's way too early for Harris to feel threatened but if Harrison's performance continues to improve maybe it will. For now I like the fact we don't have to give Harris so many reps so he can reduce the strain on his knee and hopefully get back to the player he was.

I'm happy with what Forte is doing. He was virtually the entire offense during our first drive and led us to a FG. After that they started mixing in Jones. Forte had 15 carries he was pulled from the game and Jones picked up 10 carries with Wolfe getting 8 late in the game. Forte did most of his work early in the game when yards are harder to come by against a D that was stacked against the run. Yet during that time he averaged 6.2 yd/catch and I think those were on screen passes which are basically running plays. I doubt anyone on Detroit was upset when Forte sat on the bench. I'm glad we were able to rest the kid and still pull off a big win.

Makes me wonder if Maynard is fighting another injury. He's had back problems off and on during his stint with the Bears.

The slant to Clark is ok by me as long as the DB or LB is not right in front of him at the LOS. Clark doesn't get a clean release when jammed at the LOS but if a DB a couple yards back sitting on the play the go ahead and hit a quick slant.

Works fine for me too and a phenomenal catch it was.

A couple years ago they did the same to us and we kept running and going nowhere. I was glad to see the offense take what the defense was giving them and execute well in the passing game.

I'll add that he always drops passes when we play the Lions, and at least once a game he always runs a wrong route (or at least he appears to run the wrong route based on where the ball is thrown). Bitchin' and moaning when you lose I can understand. I cannot accept contributing to the loss with your own poor play and then blaming others.

Did anyone else notice how nobody on the Detroit Lions wants to sit near Williams on the sideline? That tells you all you need to know about this crybaby.

Exactly what 3 games has Kyle Orton played well? I'll give you Detroit today you give me the other two. Against the Eagles he played in the first half and was horrendous in the second half. Why he gets a pass for his Grossmanesque turnovers is beyond me. Against Tampa he threw a horrible INT that cost us the game. I was hoping to see a complete game from him today and I did. I have also been waiting to see improved accuracy on the deep ball and we saw that today too. Overall I think Orton is becoming more confident and starting to look like a starting QB but I need to see much more before I'd sign him to a long term contract.

Graham is already taking snaps away from Vasher. It's not that big of a reach for him to fill in fulltime if Vasher isn't 100%. At this point I think Graham at 100% is better than Vasher at 85%. I still want Peanut on the other side.

Funny as hell! At least he's leading his team in one category.

If the price was reasonable but I think he'll be asking for Berrian money and I don't feel he's worth it. He takes plays off and hasn't had a good history of running good routes. When it comes to big contracts a player must be capable of consistent performance week after week. When FA begins I wouldn't get into a bidding war with him and I'd definitely explore the other options we have.

Practice at this time of year isn't like practice in training camp. What I'd like to hear is that Williams is doing a full strength training workout including squats, which apparently he could never do before the surgery.