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Agreed and I'm not sure Olave is a #1 WR. Don't misunderstand me, I like him a lot and he'd be a great draft pick if he fell to us, but he's sort of a Mooney + style WR. Given our roster needs he's not the type of WR you trade the farm for, and we'd be trading the 2022 draft farm to get him. Grab one of the less polished but nearly as athletic options in Rd 2/3.
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Some last minute input and I think some of this is based on feedback from league sources https://www.nfl.com/news/2022-nfl-draft-sleepers-day-2-standouts-and-day-3-hidden-gems-to-target https://thedraftnetwork.com/articles/2022-nfl-draft-under-the-radar-prospects-offense-defense
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Why would KC move up to 39? Who is their target?
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Logan Hall had just 8 sacks and 20 TFL in 46 games against lesser competition. It's hard to get excited about that level of production for one of our 2nd Rd picks. What little I see in his highlights he doesn't appear particularly quick off the snap. He seems more like a DE in our old 3-4 front who could flex out to DE at times (run downs) when we went to a 4-man front. I think the comparison to Buckner is reasonable but in college Buckner had a lot more production (18 sacks, 36 TFL) against Pac 12 offenses and he went 7th overall.
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I’ll trade our overpaid rehab project Eddie Jackson for their overpaid rehab project.
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Digging around looking for nuggets of info... If edge rusher is a trade up target then they likely want one of the top 3. That likely requires a top 10 pick and the 10th pick requires 1300pts, or a little more than both of their 1st Rd picks. I can't see them moving up to top half of the 1st Rd for a WR when the depth into late 1st/early 2nd is so good and the top end talent isn't that elite to begin with. One of the top 3 CB also might be worth a trade up but might only need to be top 15. Pick 15 requires 1050pts or KC 29 and 50 picks. FWIW I scanned EDGE draft needs for teams drafting after 20th and the list includes: Patriots, Packers, Cardinals, Cowboys, and Chiefs. Toss in the 49ers who do not have a 1st Rd pick, and the Rams who do not have a 1st or 2nd (we'll exclude them right there). Packers and Chiefs make the most sense both in terms of Superbowl ready and quantity of draft picks. I can't see us making a deal with GB but if it's too good to refuse would you? https://www.si.com/nfl/2022/04/26/2022-nfl-draft-rumors-neal-dean-williams As has been expected, with 12 picks and two first-rounders in the chamber, the Chiefs have started to call teams through the 20s about trading up. It might be for a receiver. But I wouldn’t rule out an aggressive move for a corner or pass rusher either. And it’s possible Kansas City will jump from Nos. 29 or 30 up, 10 spots or so, then leap again. What seems certain is that GM Brett Veach won’t stay static. And part of that, for sure, is that the Chiefs probably don’t have room on their roster for 12 rookies to make the team.
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Smoke building? This appears to be based on nothing more than Rapoport's update but usually if the league takes the next step and decides to put something on their front page news there is legitimate substance behind it. I'm starting to think there are a couple teams seriously interested. https://www.nfl.com/news/robert-quinn-wants-to-stay-with-bears-but-knows-this-is-a-crazy-business
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I just posted Rapoport's Tweet about teams inquiring on Quinn. This is the first I've heard of Montgomery but combining that news with this quote and I can see where he'd prefer to avoid either the new contract for Montgomery or letting him walk but then hoping for a comp pick. The downside is that if he can see that depth so can everyone else. In that case just like Quinn, Montgomery likely only has value to a team competing deep in the playoffs who wants to use their early picks to fill other holes on the roster. https://www.chicagobears.com/news/5-things-we-learned-ryan-poles-pre-draft-presser-picks-trade-deepest-positions (3) When asked about the deepest positions on the second and third days of the draft, Poles named four different spots. "I would say the O-line depth is pretty good," he said. "There's some good depth with the DBs. There's a couple defensive linemen. The running back class may not be top-heavy, but there's a ton. It's crazy how many running backs there are. "I think a lot of it has to do with the COVID year [when all college players were given an additional year of eligibility]. A lot of those guys are kicking back, so the middle-to-bottom, definitely into free agency, there's a massive amount of players. That's why it took so much time to get the board set, not only at the top but at the bottom. There are a lot of players on this board."
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The fat lady hasn't sung yet. It appears Poles has let people know he's available for the right price or by now we wouldn't be seeing rumors like this. He's quietly standing firm on his asking price or at least he's not acting desperate enough to take anything. Of course we don't know how serious teams are with this. Some might still be hoping to get a great deal from a young GM desperate for more draft picks. OTOH if there are several teams inquiring he might be getting a little bit of a sellers market. It's enough to keep me tuned in to the first night of the draft, which I'd be watching anyway.
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I think you can toss in Zach Tom, Max Mitchell, or a few other names; or you can switch around the positions (i.e. WR @ 39) and still get a winning combination in this draft to fix the IOL in 2022. Or even get the future LT we need. Right now the Bears have the highest cap space in 2023 at $97mil. Setup this year with the right interior players to cut Whitehair next year and you can make that $110mil. Plus, when it comes to building a championship caliber roster there is no bigger question to answer than if Fields is the right QB. I like him but that's just the reality of a young QB in the NFL. With that kind of cap space and a full boat of draft picks Poles should want to know the answer to that question before we draft in 2023. Fixing the Oline as best as is reasonably possible, and a decent WR, gives him the best chance to evaluate Fields. Just do it.
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Rankings are all over the place, seemingly more than usual. 39 Kenyon Green 48 Christian Watson 71 Cole Strange
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I'd gladly take an OT and C (Jurgens) to develop.
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I'd say we are ok at OT, LG, C, but RG is big concern for me. I don't see a whole lot available in FA. https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/free-agents/all/guard/all/
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I don't think we have an option when it comes to addressing Oline early. We're not in a position to draft someone who needs a year, or more, to develop. We need a starter at RG. As badly as we need a 3-tech to help the D, Fields can be the future of this team. By the way I'm very thankful we're not looking for a QB this year. If Fields were in this draft he'd be gone top 5, if not #2 to Detroit.
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Great video and analysis. He's got some names I haven't even heard of that are high and others that are way lower than expected.
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Great video and analysis. He's got some names I haven't even heard of that are high and others that are way lower than expected.
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I had forgotten about that but I still think it's worth looking into. I highly doubt he'd want to play in Chicago as he'd likely prefer to go to a playoff team if he has that opportunity.
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I'm not sure. I assume Baltimore would have first crack at signing him but they usually have a good defense so I doubt they'd be interested. How many teams have as many holes as we do with as few picks as we have?
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Given our situation where we really need help and leadership in the defensive backfield I'm all in on Poles kicking the tires here. As long as he is healthy and in shape I'm in...sign him. Considering the style of defense we're moving toward which is much more see-it-and-react is what Thomas excelled at we should be ok with him on the field. I'm not expecting him to be great but unless we draft a S in Rd 2, which is unlikely, his leadership and experience is going to be a plus over any other option we have. Earl was the heart beat of the Seahawks great defense. A 1yr rental to help us right the ship will help us if for no other reason than teaching the young players to be successful. He is also the type of player and vocal leader, one of very few, who might be able to get Eddie Jackson's head on straight and return him to his true potential. https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10033486-earl-thomas-ready-for-nfl-return-won-super-bowl-48-with-seahawks
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More sleepers. https://thedraftnetwork.com/articles/2DARON BLAND22-nfl-draft-sleepers-prospects-weston-bland-dykes I took a quick look at some highlights of the players on that list. Beyond a couple DBs who might be practice squad candidates I have to say that, along with WRs like Danny Grey, Isaiah Weston absolutely should be on our radar on day 3. He's 6'3" 214lbs with 40" vert, 135" broad jump. While you have to carefully watch for it he's got some decent lateral movement but I don't see much in terms of route running and timing passes. In the highlights it's clear he just ran past everyone at the FCS level and usually had to wait on the ball to arrive. If it's upside you want as a day 3 prospect he's got it but he'll need time, good coaching, and a good work ethic. If we want to, there are plenty of good options to fully stock the WR room in this draft. https://www.nfl.com/prospects/isaiah-weston/32005745-5373-3679-5418-3d4dbbc6013e
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That had to be the easiest decision you ever made.
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Somebody needs to get on the wayback machine because I think Davenport was in some pre-draft discussions here years ago as an OT option on Day 3 or UDFA. Unless something has changed he's got really slow feet. At best he's competing for a backup OT role but that's ok. If he has improved his technique with his length he can be a viable backup. https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2706642-julien-davenport-nfl-draft-2017-scouting-report-for-houston-texans-pick "A two-time team captain and four-year starter at left tackle, Julie'n Davenport has two things you can't coach—size and length. At 6'7" and 318 pounds, he has 36 ½-inch arms and massive 10 ½-inch hands. He's the first guy you want coming off the bus. Davenport has an excellent reach, and his best asset is his punch. He has a quick strike and can get to defenders much earlier than his peers. At the Senior Bowl, we saw him knocking back pass-rushers with nice timing and power on the limbs he calls arms. Davenport is a great fit in a zone-blocking scheme, where his length and his movement skills would allow him to cut off defenders in the running game. From a size and strength perspective, Davenport is prototypical." David Moore is absolutely in the mix and will push Dazz to earn a roster spot. Plus it's a small world and he's got some family tradition to live up to.... https://www.chicagobears.com/news/roster-moves-bears-sign-wr-moore-cb-stroman Moore is ultra-excited to follow in the footsteps of his second cousin, James Allen, a Bears running back from 1998-2001 who rushed for 1,978 yards and four touchdowns on 515 carries while appearing in 50 games with 27 starts.
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That rookie deal only logic makes sense to me. After that the teams are on the same competitive ground to wheel and deal as they choose.
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Depending on who is on the board at 39 I could take the Dallas proposal. But if it's Watson I'm taking him.
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I'm ok with the late round developmental strategy at LT versus reaching for one. In Rd 2 it's very likely we can draft a good starting OG, and maybe even Linderbaum falls to 39. If he doesn't, it just makes it more likely one of the OGs does. The only thing Poles has to watch for is that after losing out on a couple upgrades the entire league knows he wants Oline players and that makes us an obvious target to trade ahead of should someone drop. You can say we need/want WRs too but the fact remains Poles was more willing to commit cap space to fix the Oline than he was for WR. I think that priority carries forward into the draft.