CrackerDog

Jeez. Why not? What does it hurt? That deep in the draft, who did we pass on to get more picks? Some mystery stud? Please... You trade down and take more chances at the lottery. It makes sense. You can argue with the actual picks we made all day long and I'll support you. But as a strategy, I don't have a problem with it.

LOL. Mantits hires a lady-boy.

Farewell Nick. We hardly knew ye.

1. Favre will never end up a Bear so it makes no sense to even have this discussion. The Bears front office understands their fan base better than anyone here. There are fans here, like myself, who would NEVER accept him as a Bear. In fact, I'd probably boycott the team for the year he was here. I'm serious. 2. His contract is $12 million. The Packers won't cut him. Teams like the Jets are willing to pay him and trade for him. The Bears aren't in that position. 3. I saw others make this point and you dismissed it but... you don't bring a QB in this late in the game and expect him to make an impact. 4. His own team doesn't want him back. 5. We don't need that flaming drama queen here. 6. I don't agree with those above who said our O Line is shit. I worry about our line but that doesn't mean it won't be very solid this year. We're not very deep but that can be remedied. 7. Favre is an idiot. He's a loose cannon who does what he wants and often screws up. With out inexperienced WR's, I seriously doubt Favre's production here would be better than what we already have. Again, yes, I'm serious. 8. If I forced myself to watch the games, I'd be conflicted. I'd be rooting for the Bears but I'd want Favre to get killed. Each win would be tainted. 9. I've got a 10 year old son. All his life he's learned the golden rule: Favre sucks. It's in our family DNA now. You don't unwind that much hate easily. 10. I hope like hell he signs with the Queens. Best case scenario because my buddy would feel all torn up about it too. He feels the same way I do about Favre and he's a Queens fan. I'd laugh my ass off if he went there and played in that dome 8 times a season. Favre is terrible inside. He'd throw a record number of picks this season. Lord, please let this happen!

I sometimes wonder if the Bears were waiting for CB to "do something stupid" in the off season so they could cut him. He was a complete tool and they cut him after the second deal without much detail known at the time. Drafting Forte was a sign of things to come, I think. They knew CB was coming off an injury and with his history, didn't want to take chances on his character not allowing him to dedicate himself to the process of recovery from that injury. I applaud the Bears on their handling of their problem cases these last 24 months or so. Everyone is going to have things like this come up. It's a measure of the organization that they're able to deal with them swiftly and professionally. Sends a message to the rest of the guys, too.

Hub Asskiss said Bazuin was going to have a hard time making the team. Hub is almost always wrong. I'm convinced, based just on his rip, that Bazuin will make the Probowl this year.

Rex looks good. Hope he's getting a little of his swagger back. Forte looks great.

Cool. The devil is in the details. Can't wait to see what they agreed on. Hopefully the Bears didn't just toss a bunch of money at him hoping he develops at WR. But, when you compare the relative calm this will bring to camp compared to the Packers who can't seem to figure out to do with their Hall of Fame QB, it makes us look like a professional organization while they're lost at sea. Classic.

Please forgive me but I've always been overprotective of Payton so... If you look at Payton's career, he started off being a bit of a fumbler. He talked about making adjustments to the way he carried the ball after his first few seasons. If you recall, they used to mention his switching arms and stiff arming people near the sidelines. After starting off with 30 fumbles in his first three seasons, he ended his career with only 56 in the last 10 years. Add to this that his offensive line was complete shit for the first half of his career and the number of carries he had. Carries when the D knew he was going to get the ball! Remember the old Payton left, Payton right, Payton up the middle, punt days? I know you do. Also, I specifically recall a fumble he had at the goal line against the Atlanta Falcons which was absolutely NOT a fumble. So he had 85 (or fewer) if replay was in place for his career. He fumbled less than 2% (1.7% when you exclude those first three seasons) of the touches he had while Jim Brown was just over 2%. Emmitt Smith, known for never fumbling (IMO because he always had a great line and they had a passing attack for most of his great career) fumbled on 1.2% of his. LT fumbles an incredible .8% while Franco Harris, Payton's contemporary, fumbled nearly 3% of the time he touched it. So, sure, there have been folks who held onto it better than Walter did and there have been worse. I don't think the term "butterfingers" is even close to accurate, however.

I also forgot to mention she's tainted by being a former Packer too.

My biggest worry is that nfoligno is starting to make sense. Seriously, I'll just second his post. If the line can't protect Gross/ton than we're going to get killed in week one. Anyone happen to notice who will be lining up opposite our LT that week? A demoralizing loss where our QB gets his ass kicked (or injured) that early in the season would be the start of the spiral. #2 is the injury bug biting the defense. If Urlacher and Mike Brown can stay close to 100% all season at their ages and with Brown's history, I'd be pleasantly surprised. If the line gels and we stay reasonably healthy, this team wins 10 games and we're in the playoffs. If not, we lose 10 games.

Glenn is a bigger sissy than Bradley! His own coach called him "she"! PASS.

I don't think Olin is back in camp yet. A fumbled snap this early in camp is meaningless. The only reason people are fixated on it is because of Rex's history. By the way, ESPN Radio reported Kyle fumbled and threw two picks within 4 or 5 plays from scrimmage today. He had a really bad day today. Of course, if I'm keeping this straight, he was working with the #2's today.

Precisely. He and the Bears got together and made the decision it would look better if he were in camp, even if he wasn't practicing. His hammy is as hurt as mine. He'll heal when the ink on his new deal dries. And that isn't me slamming him, this is a wise move by both parties. And it suggests that things are moving in the right direction. I just hope the Bears don't cave to him too badly. I really see this as a deal that could go south very quickly.

I agree. And from what I heard, that's a $3 to $4 million number per season. So now you're FOR an incentive type contract? OK, glad you've come around to where I started like 237 posts ago. I agree with this also. Did you take smart pills or something? I like it. Probably combine the big bonus in 2010 with year to year roster bonuses before and after such that if he gets hurt or declines they won't get paid. He's protected because the Bears will need to cut him and let him be a free agent to chase a deal elsewhere. These probably step up in amount over time. If he makes it at WR, he'll be worth every penny. If not, the Bears can look at their individual cap circumstances each year to determine if they can afford to have a luxury player like Hester (only returning kicks) on the team.

Man, I can't believe some of you guys have thousands of posts here already. I've been MIA for a while with personal issues to sort out. Not home free yet either but the new season got me back here. I had a bazillion posts on the old site and now I look like a chump breaking Nfo's balls. Ah well... I'll catch up someday.

Crackpot? Who you callin' CRACKPOT!?!?! That hurt my feelings NFO. I think you owe me and the whole board an apology... BWAAAAAAAAAAAA HA HA HAHA HAHA HA HA HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1111111111111111 Meanie.

I don't know. Berrian is probably a bad example anyway since he's a true #2 getting #1 money from a team desperate to add WR help. I will say my guess is we'd get offered more for Hester in a trade than we'd get offered for Berrian which says the same thing you're saying, Hester is worth a lot to this team. But whoever got him either as a free agent or via trade would face the same dilemma JA faces today. And I don't know how you balance it out. All of those other positions making more these days actually kinda makes my point... you've got to pay those dudes! How can you do all of that and still have a guy like Hester eating up a ton of cap space while not playing a position that traditionally gets that kind of money? How can you invest that much in a position that's considered very high risk? There's a reason those jobs are usually held by guys who aren't that important to the team...

Yep. Particularly in this case since the guy is friggen SIX SEVEN - TWO SIXTY! No reason he can't block other than technique and wanna. I can forgive the technique part as he may not have been involved enough in college. This is a coaching issue and I'd expect he'd learn plenty to become solid during this camp. I mean, all you need to know is how to bend your knees at the correct angle, position your shoulders and shove as hard as you can. Or dive at a guy's legs. TE blocking isn't exactly an art form! I can't forgive a lack of motivation. Nor would the coaches.

Probably has some paperwork with JA and his agent to fill out.

I'm a fan. As a fan, I agree with you 100%. Unfortunately, as a GM, JA can't afford to think that way. He won't draw double coverage unless he can prove he's capable of running the correct routes and making the right adjustments. He's not proven that to me and I don't know if he's got the smarts for it. Of course, he's only got 1 year as a WR under his belt, actually less, and WR's typically take two full seasons to learn their craft. So, we should know more at the end of the year. All of our guys besides Booker are working off their rookie contracts. They're cheap because they're young and haven't proven anything. Hester hasn't proven anything at WR either, IMO. When/if they do prove themselves, the Bears will pay them more. They gave a lot of coin to Moose so it isn't like they don't understand the value of the position (although we can all agree he wasn't what we paid for.) You can't spend our WR money on Hester assuming we'll always have cheap WR's. If he doesn't develop or he gets hurt, we're screwed. Me too. But as to Hester, he ain't getting paid by "someone" not named McCaskey for at least three more seasons. That's just a fact of how the NFL draft and the franchise tag works. He has zero leverage outside of crying to the papers every day and frankly, that'd get old pretty quick and the press would stop giving him a microphone after a short while. Bears fans love the team, not one player. So, he isn't going anywhere and he and his agent realized that, it appears. His butt is in camp where it belongs. The fair thing to do is to structure a deal that makes him wealthier when/if he produces.

How about Boldin and Kurt Warner for Hester? Boldin wants out of AZ and Warner still has enough that he could be our starter if/when we become unhappy with our current options. Hester is honestly worth all of Boldin/Warner and a 1rst round draft pick but I doubt anyone would give up that much. Frankly, I hope we can keep Hester happy with whatever deal JA comes up with and Kyle/Rex develop along with some of the young WR's we've got on the team now. Best case scenario, we don't have to trade him. I really love watching this guy play football!

OMG... Remember how some of the folks here went on and on about Hester? Sheesh. JA was killed for that pick and now some of the same folks are killing him for not signing him to a 50 year deal worth TEN BAGILLION DOLLARS. OMGZZZZZZZZZZ!!!!!! I found this on Kellen Davis. http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/scoutingr...ellendavis.html All it says is he has character issues but doesn't spell it out. If anyone has the details please post. I don't mind rooting for a guy who got caught with a joint when he was a freshman but if there is something of real concern here, I'd like to know.

Wow. Strong statement! The only concern with this guy was character, correct? He slid because of something he'd done? Hopefully he can keep his nose clean.

Which is simply incorrect if you know anything about how the team is forced to slice up the cap money. He isn't as valuable as a #1/#2 WR. Period. His position dictates that. You can argue all day long that the field position makes him as valuable to the team but the reality is, it doesn't work that way. Glad we see eye to eye on his current value. I didn't misunderstand, you didn't make yourself very clear. PS. Learn to use the QUOTE button you dope.