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I think if you draft a QB in later rounds, like McCarthy or Nix, they sit while Justin starts. Or rather they compete in training camp for the spot. (Oops my bias once again appears. ?). That’s assuming you’ll have traded the #1 for capital. As far as the “red flags” being raised on Williams the closer we get to draft day? Hell yes I’m concerned.

From the so-called "QB whisperer" I say we need to draft either Daniels, Nix or McCarthy (in that order as available). Why? Daniels played in the SEC and won the Heisman THIS YEAR. Nix also played in the SEC before going to the Pac12....oddly enough his two years in the PAC 12 (against many of the same opponents) were very similar to the two years Williams spent there: Nix stats while at Oregon: 658 / 879 for 8101 yards (74.9%) 9.2 Y/A 74 TDs 10 INTs 177.8 Rate Williams stats while at USC: 599 / 888 for 8170 yards (67.5%) 9.2 Y/A 72 TDs 10 INTs 169.2 rate McCarthy played and won in the NCAA playoffs.

Or maybe he meant the combination of Waldron and Fields would be exactly how that occurs? Because while in college, Fields was able to do just that. Look no further than the Sugar. Bowl playoff game against Clemson in 2021 where was the Tigers were expected to dominate. Especially after Fields was nearly taken out just before the half.

Seeing more and more people start to talk and think this way. Those of us in the ‘Fields camp’ have been saying it the whole time. Makes way too much sense. https://x.com/justinfieldsfc/status/1762189062520377635?s=46&t=KrpJmhSTc4DI1sACtjisOQ

So in a controlled environment with 'familiar' players?

Why not (I wonder aloud...but not really all that surprised)?? ?

That's an amazing amount of "chedder". Didn't someone here mention with a strong team around them (assuming all these picks become "blue chip" quality) how much does it matter who the QB is? Or was that the argument made of why Purdy is as good as he is?

Good for him to keep working his craft. I saw a commenter on the post noted the brace on his thumb. Must still be a lingering issue.

If memory served he suggested Getsy was more the issue on offense. And Swifty picked up on some of those “bread crumbs” PHX alluded to (2:46 mark in particular).

In the meantime, Jaylon Johnson still waits.

'But, but he's a "generational talent" and can do everything Justin can't'. So why shouldn't he be able to start from day one? For the record I agree with you...I'm letting my antagonist side speak out. ??

I could list a myriad of reasons why and how I would wholesale disagree with you but what would that accomplish? Rather than hash that out I'll leave it as 'we'll agree to disagree'. Signed - Skip

I originally said Travis because in Killa’s draft he was the Bears’ ‘Mr Irrelevant’. But then looked him up and is using Adam’s measurement of ‘collegiate volume of throws’ he’s had six years of eligibility (1,027 attempts for 8,000 total yards - so not GREAT production ). For reference Williams threw 1,099 times for ~10,000 yards .

Agreed. I don’t personally think it a prerequisite to have been a player to be a coach. It helps but isn’t a necessity.

Slow times in the world of the NFL. ‘Idle minds are the Devils’ workshop.’

From what I can tell it’s a weekly podcast. Their last update was on 14 Feb. Of course I’m tech impaired…so there’s that . Looking forward to seeing it. A lot has been made about his “unfollowing the Bears”. Of course someone else pointed out that CJ Stroud doesn’t follow the Texans. ??‍♂️

Jordan Travis = the next Brock Purdy. ?

And to Jason’s point; like 1(2) or 1(11)?

Like your line of thinking Lemon. Except I would hope the team wouldn’t have to decline Justin’s fifth year. ??

Good article and plays to what a few other players have said like Dj Moore, Chris Olave and Jaxson Smith-Njigba (all current WRs in the league by the way). Another thing that I forget about was how Fields didn’t really have a full season this year. The reason being was due to him dislocating the thumb on his throwing hand. And when you consider what the guy said in your article and he thought Justin ‘improved as the season wore on’, that to me seems pretty significant.

A few weeks ago Adam posted something about the likelihood of 1st round picks at QB were to win a Super Bowl. While I was reading up on that (and being a contrarian by nature - lol) I found the article listed below. It highlights how many ‘QBs picked in the 1st round overall have won a Super Bowl’ and came up with eight. For some reason they didn’t include Joe Namath who won it in ‘69 and was written before Stafford won his first a few years ago (and the first time #1s overall faced each other with he and Burrow). So technically, there would be 10. On that ‘list of 8’ includes the Mannings, Bradshaw, Aikman and Plunkett. It also includes two others who were backups when they ‘won’ in David Carr and Drew Bledsoe. So the question I have is how common is it really to have a ‘1st round overall QB win a Super Bowl’? And go one step further in adding, with their original team (Stafford)? https://thelistwire.usatoday.com/lists/only-these-8-nfl-quarterbacks-drafted-no-1-overall-won-a-super-bowl-ring/

I didn’t really use any stats to “suit my narrative”. I simply shared the same stats for Fields as Adam posted for Williams (while both were playing in college) and found both to have very similar results. In fact if there was a consensus to be made, some would say Fields regressed after coming into the NFL…and probably because of the aforementioned shite situation he faced in Chicago. Be that as it may, I disagree that there is a “consensus” on how special and can’t miss that Williams is. For every Williams supporter there is at least one Merril Hoge who will say he “isn’t special”. So far most of what I’ve seen whether it be former and current players and execs, the so-called “experts” and those of us keyboard GMs (social media etc), it’s been pretty 50/50 on whether Justin will stay or go. If anything I’d say there is a consensus among the Fields’ supporters he stay and a consensus among the Williams supporters he won’t.

But if everything goes as planned and a higher percentage of your 1st and 2nd round draftees do well, and your team does well some of those players become trade bait for future 1st - 2nd round picks (ala Patriot-way) and thus “resetting the contract clock” on a bunch of players. IE: Justin himself a former 1st round pick could theoretically net at least one 2nd round pick and some even think 1st round.

So the moral of the story is, don’t draft first round players with the intent to win a Super Bowl. But instead wait until their 4-5th year (or later) to sign them and then make the run? ??

Indeed. Just as the recent 'discussion' we had that reflected that aside from the passing yardage, both Williams and Fields collegiate stats were pretty similar. And at the risk of going on "ad nauseum" I'd still give the favorable lean to Justin due to his reaching the college playoffs and playing pretty well while doing so (I know, no surprise). That being said, I'm beginning to resign myself to the idea that Justin will be traded. Obviously I still think it'll be a mistake and we'll end up regretting it but only time will prove me wrong or right. I'm of the mindset like Merrill Hoge that Williams is "nothing special" and so far the projections are not showing anything to make me say "wow, this is the guy we need". A big reason I'm not on the Williams bandwagon is that I feel there is much more value in trading the #1 for more parts and pieces to build the team (around either Justin or a later picked QB). Earlier today I watched a video that was doing an analysis of the potential trade of Justin and it involved a panel of four to include Louis Riddick. He said something I've heard here and agree with, that being: "Justin was not set up to succeed (in Chicago)". And added that the "rationale (of we already know Justin Fields compared to what Williams could do) is not a direct correlation." Oddly enough Riddick was defending the idea of keeping Justin as recent as three weeks ago. Now he said he feels Justin would excel with either Pittsburgh or more likely in Atlanta. And that's what concerns me.