Alaskan Grizzly

Yep and yep

What's lame is that you didn't apparently read any of what I wrote and would rather dismiss the facts for what they are. Instead you are grasping at what equates to weak rhetoric. But I'm not really all that surprised. Lovie's gone, now Urlacher. As you so eloquently pointed out, nothing I can do about it. Oh well...

This seems like a silly post anymore but since I'm bored... The "12 executives" could be a myriad of people involved with NFL teams. Not necessarily '12 owners'. Of, which by the way, would be in the minority considering there are 32 teams. So, using that logic and considering the fact that you can make polls read how you want I could theoretically keep asking 'NFL execs' their opinions were about Urlacher and once I get that magic 12, post what started this whole discussion. Now if we assume these '12' were people like Matt Millen, Dan Snyder, Shahid Khan, J-Lo (part owner of the Dolphins right?), Al Davis, the citizenry of Green Bay (aren't they all "owners"?)... Then I might have to question the collective perspective.

Are you calling me a "moron"? (*knee slapping LOL*) As far as what will and could happen, it's simply speculation at this point. Only time will tell.

Not that it was a "hometown discount" but didn't Brady do something with his contract once to help Welker get re-signed? Then this year when Welker was released and it was all said and done, Robert Kraft comes out and says "I don't answer to Tom Brady".

Are these the same guys who agree with penalizing the RB for putting his head down when he's about to be hit? I heard the majority of owners/execs were for that too.

Who is he? The only one that I can find is a TE that used to play for Tampa Bay..in '07. *edit* never mind, it was DJ Williams. News takes longer to get up here.

No, you're right about Jennings. He was Pro Bowl this year. You're right that the team may have made the right corrective measure of going with the trend of the stronger offense. For the sake of being a fan I just hope it was in fact the right move (you know our half glass discussion?). And you're right that the Defense is good enough still that it could literally run itself for a few years before it would need a strong defensive mind to keep it going. My hope is Mel Tucker is that guy. http://www.windycitygridiron.com/2013/1/21...ive-coordinator

Its posssible, with as outspoken as Urlacher is, that they were concerned he wouldn't completely 'sign up' to the new regime and could have been more a liability to 'losing the locker room'. Because as you say, there are other players on the team that 'played for Lovie' to include Briggs, Tillman, Jennings, Peppers, Conte, Wright. Of those I could see Briggs being a thorn in their side, especially now that Urlacher is gone. And I could theoretically see Peppers going back to what he's been accused of doing before which was "taking plays off". Tillman won't be a problem as he's a stand up guy but I don't know how strong an influence on the rest of the group he can be. I guess time will tell. The notion that Urlacher couldn't "play anymore" is simply wrong. He could play, just not the HOF caliber he was once capable of. You need to realize that the facts show he was on course for leading the team in tackles last year until his injury in week 12(?). Bottom line, the team (to include ownership) made a risky move in simply letting Urlacher go. If the team improves and goes to a Super Bowl without him they look like heroes. If not, and do worse than 10-6, then there will be some explaining to do.

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With Briggs I think he would have understood, had that happened. This would not have been the first time Brian would be returning from an injury. Let alone one where he was out almost all year (like in '09). But the thing to consider now is that not only does Briggs not have the KNOWN of Urlacher at middle but noone at the WLB position he is familar with, since Roach has left. And from my understadnding the new DC was brought in due to his knowledge and some familiarity with the Cover 2. So the team didn't really intend to change the scheme all that much. The safeties (Conte and Wright) are too young to have much say but would have followed the guidance of Urlacher's leadership. Not only because of his veteran status but also because of his familarity with the position. And I think it safe to say that Brian would not have left himself on the field if he didn't think he could at least contribute. Last year had the lockout effect his return somewhat and the injury later in the season, but in both cases he still managed to put up respectable numbers. And by the way RIP Chris Farley!!! He was a master!

Join the club.

I would be more apt to believe it if I could see it in print. But if in fact it really did happen that way (your story that is) then why wouldn't he "think" that it was fair to start the bidding process at around $11 Million? I believe the contractual length was somewhere near the two-year span so broken down that's roughly $5.5 each year, about what he said took place to begin with. In the article I cited, Urlacher 'assumed' there would be some negotiating...there wasn't (or at least we're led to believe). In the other article I could not find he even further explained this by saying he knew that the high number wasn't probably going to stand. He explained, again, that he assumed that some form of discussions would take place. Further insight to this could be that Urlacher was never present during any discussions between his agents (he had two) and Bears management. So its highly conceivable that he wasn't privvy to every detail. I'm off to buy my poster. Maybe it'll have some worth on Ebay someday.

I would be curious to see how the team ranked exactly one year ago. And in regads to the offense write up, I would bet you could have entered Mike Tice where Trestman's name is at the end of the synopsis. And my oh my "stinger" that 'Moron' comment really touched a nerve. Good thing I 'm not "Frizzy" (whatever that means) or I too would be offended. To borrow a phrase: "Put up a poster and get over it".

Naw, not completley stupid. He probably did save the team money. He's an on again, off again TE with Tackle experience. Could be worthwhile. And he went to Temple....like Rodriguez...for whatever that's worth.

Olin Kreutz didn't really have as much pull as did Urlacher. When Kreutz left, who on the offensive side "stepped up" as a leader? Cutler? He seems to still be the same as always. Garza? They are both "Captains" but not sure how they have "stepped up" in the absence of Kreutz. I'm not sure where on the defensive side you're going to see that leadership as much. Tillman? Briggs? (He's had his chance before and had difficulty in calling the defense in Urlacher's absence, hence why Roach stepped in), Peppers? (Has anyone ever heard the man speak? He seems to lead in action more than word. Below is an article that shed some insight to the goings back and forth. There was a better article somewhere else but I was unable to find it again. Anyhow a snippet: "The Bears original offer was a firm one-year contract for $2 million, Urlacher and his agent countered a two-year deal for $11.5 million. Urlacher was under the assumption the two parties would reach a deal somewhere in the middle, turns out there wouldn't be any negotiations. Urlacher's agents responded with a proposal of one year and $3.5 million deal, though the Bears management still wouldn't budge." http://www.examiner.com/article/brian-urla...offer-insulting I think what is happening in Baltimore is more a result of what happened with their not renegotiating with Flacco earlier in the year. They decided to wait it out and bingo, they won the Super Bowl. Oddly enough the Bears will find themselves in a similar role this year. Hopefully they were paying attention.

Can you say "irony"? You don't seem to understand the concept of what the management is doing to this team. Sure they are trying to put their stamp on the team, but they are burning bridges in the process. There are other players on the team that are taking note; Peppers, Jennings, Tillman, Briggs....all players that no doubt had a strong bond to Urlacher. If it wasn't evident in their play on the field, look at the time when Urlacher's mother passed. The team chartered a jet to attend her funeral. As someone pointed out earlier, this WAS more a family enviornment. It appears that its trending away from that. The traditional values and pride that some fans have to this team are being whittled away. You say its time to move on and get new blood but at what cost?

Devin Aramoshadu or Bernard Berrian?

Well said sir. Cheers to you.

Maybe he decided against going to Chicago because he heard Urlacher isn't staying? And maybe Captain talked to Moore?

Briggs, Tillman, Peppers, Jennings..and any other player that Urlacher had some influence to join the team could take this as a slap in their face as well. For what its worth, and more to the point of what Jason was saying, Urlacher was on course to lead the team in tackles before his hamstring injury late in the season. He was not playing horribly..that is fact. He was just not playing HOF caliber.

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And Heisman winner to boot. DHB was a player that intrigued me when he came into the draft. That was the year the Bears traded for Cutler and had just lost Booker (after his second tour). There seemed to be a lot of buzz at the time for WR talent. The Bears did draft Juaquin Iglecias and Johnny Knox that year and we know how that worked out. Anyway, still an intriguing thought.

Too bad. That's a shame.

After reading up on him a bit, it looks like injuries bugged him to start out. But, to be fair, he has been apart of a woeful team in the Raiders all of his career. He had Jemarus Russell, Jason Campbell and Carson Palmer (not the Palmer of old, but the old Palmer) as his QB's during his tenure. He was hit big time last year during a game with the Steelers...remember it well with all the highlights. It was a wicked shot that put him out cold for awhile. I think bringing up Bey in this discussion makes a lot of sense. He hasn't garnered a lot of interest (probably would be cheap) and could potentially replace Knox in the speed WR department.