Mongo3451

Agreed, with the exception of Toub and the ball boy.

I don't know where to begin and don't have much time. So, this may come in other posts. Winning QB's simply get it done. Not by STATS, but by leading/willing/inspiring his team to victory. They possess the unique ability to make their teammates believe on a higher level. Yes, they've learned it, and practice it, and inherited it from watching their fathers daily walk with life, and yes, most all, they are born with IT! If you have ever played at any competetive level you would understand this. To stand in a huddle with a true leader is something special and they do really make everyone better.

Aside from Lovie finding sudden opportunity elsewhere. I would like to see a top notch OG drafted or signed via FA. Then a draft heavy on defense, with another FA signing or two. Problem is, I don't see a whole lot of difference makers out there. I think our team is flush with role players with difference makers being the greatest need.

The key I wanted everyone to take from this is if we looked at all QB's and took away the INT's that weren't their fault... The 18 that were Cut's fault are indeed obscene. Sorry as well, but QB's are judged on wins and losses. It's not an official NFL stat, but doesn't have to be. Some are just winners and then there are the guys that are on the cusp and some just won't ever get it. I think Cutler is on the cusp, but he has some maturing to do.

Not picking you out of the crowd on this but it seems like a lot of posters make excuses for Cutler. His total of 18 that were his fault is still obscene if you look at all QB's, let alone the top 10. If we had the ability to take away INT's from all QB's their numbers would continue to separate them from Cutler. Also, I don't find the above stat line impressive. (It's still a 24 int pace and a .500 record) Still tops in the league and we don't make the playoffs.

That was awesome! You and LT provided some great material for me to destroy the guys at work...

Lord help us all!

I addressed upgrading WR in my post. I don't know what JA will do in the 3rd, but it better not be WR with glaring weaknesses elsewhere.

http://www.suntimes.com/sports/jensen/2042...sean11.article# This is why he doesn't win. I think he will grow out of it. Hopefully Martz will accellerate the curve.

I am on board with upgrading OL, DL and secondary. (In that order) No draft picks for WR's this year. I'll take Holt if he's cut, for leadership and familiarity with Martz.

I usually agree with you, but I'm going an opposite direction here. Totally disagree with the Bennett and Wade parallel. Bennett, without getting a reception his rookie year, is only 10 behind Wades 1st 3 years. He also had more receptions and yards than Wade has had in any season of his career. Now the fumbles: Wade 13, Bennett 2. TD's Wade 0, Bennett 2. Now, if you want to compare Bennett with Bobby Engram, I'm all for it. I have to say I was more pleased with our recievers than I was Cutler this year. I don't know if was the reciever or him, but the timing was rarely there. I'm wondering if Cutler is relying on his gun more than timing and instinct. We'll know more this season as Cutler will have to throw timing patterns to survive Martz's system.

Offense and defense have to do their part to win the TOP battle. Our problem has been two fold with it, with the O and D failing at differing points of the game. One more stop per game on D and one more 1st down on O and we are on the plus side. In considering Indy: that's why Manning won MVP again, because rarely teams can pull off what they do.

While Orton taking a team to the promised land is always debatable. So is the fact that Cutler has never directed a team to a winning record. (College or Pro) Just sayin'...

I love the thought of Hester in the slot. I also like Bennett for that role too. Bennett has the natural feel and hands for the middle of the field, while Hester has everything else. Imagine Hester getting loose in the seam... Anyway, maybe Hester and Bennett can share the slot so Hester can stay fresher for return duties and explosive plays.

I have no problem with adding Holt as long as he is guaranteed nothing. Whatever spot he earns, he earns. I, like NFO, Madlith and others have no trust in the staff to make the right decision on this though. I think adding Holt would be a positive influence on our younger guys, plus keep them hungry to pull their weight. If they have no competition for a roster or starting spot. They could prove to be a little lax in the off season and camp. If they are going to learn Martzs' complex system they need to 1) be sharp and competetive, 2) use Holt as a mentor.

http://www.suntimes.com/sports/football/be...neil09.article# The above article talks about the importance of keeping our D off the field. I have preached this for years and have been met with strong debate. This article doesn't vindicate me by any stretch, but does convey my exact thoughts on the situation and will use that as a sounding board, because there is no way I could have said it better. I posted in another thread that Martz would not provide an advantage needed in Time of Possession (TOP). I'll admit being half wrong about his offense's ability to hold a TOP advantage. With the other half yet to play out, as we will need to see it with Bears players.

Pretty much agree. But, will also remain leary because I simply don't trust the board to do what is best for the team at this point. This is going to be one looong off-season for me.

Isn't Briggs good for comments like this once a year????

"Hey Rod, we can't find anyone to take the DC position. We really need for you to be a team player and take the position." It was probably something like that. Rod's probably thinking his career is over now. LOL

I was really tying one on last night. When my brother and I saw the commercial, we loved it. Call me sick, but I loved it again on the youtube link today. I thought it was intentionally tacky and funny as hell. We all need to understand how much non-Bear fans hate the real shuffle. So, anything new had to be a spoof.

All I am giving him credit for is running the offense. He didn't build the personnel. He was a huge part of something great. The greatness has been gone awhile and he had the ability to keep it going and couldn't. And he hasn't done anything since. As I stated earlier, I am dying to be wrong about him.

He had nothing to do with building that team. That's like saying Turner was responsible for bringing in Cutler. Dick Vermeil built that team giving Martz a perfect combination of components. Silver platter! Keep drinking the aid on this one, but my stance does not change on Martz. If you know me, I love to be proven wrong and pray it is this year. I've just seen too much of Martz to have confidence in him. Anyway, how does this guy go jobless for the last couple of years if he is so good? I guess we were the only ones smart enough to figure it out... Like so many other items. Regarding Lovie, his accomplishments are outweighed by his failures. He did ruin our SB team. If he didn't, what are your reasons for the window slamming shut so quickly?

Speculation and debate is what we are here for. He stated his opinion and I stated mine. I think we all hope for the best. The ultra talented team Lovie ruined was after the superbowl year. The superbowl Martz ruined was against the Pats. Remember he failed to run the ball when the Pats were daring them too. You can't spit out how great his record was because that team was handed to him on a silver platter. Look at what he has done since and you will see the real Mike Martz. We'll just have to agree to disagree on the defense. Grizz, you got the wrong guy here. I will never stop being a Bears 1st fan. You have not or will ever hear me talk like that. Am I dissatisfied? Hell yeah. Disloyal? Never. I'm glad you think the Bears are a playoff team this year. I just don't see it.

Yea I knew that, I was mainly referring to the boys club Lovie continues to have reign over. Now, we're wasting an intern type spot on his kid. You have that luxury with a winning program, not this one. Just one more example that Lovie does not get it.

Lovie's son! Wait, here it comes again. Nuf said.