Mongo3451

I really don't believe anyone outside of Halas Hall or Cowher knows the truth, but leaks happen.(and sometimes on purpose) The most recent rumor may be a little damage control to restore faith in the family. That being said, I think there may be some validity to all of this. Will it play out? Who knows? I can only hope. One thing I am pretty sure of, is that we probably won't be better this year than last. It can be argued many ways, here are my 3 main negatives. Lovie is still here, Urlacher won't make that much difference and a new OC will take some time to get used to - IMO. I still believe if this is all lame duck, Turner would probably have the best shot at saving Lovies ass. They should not have fired him. Anyone who knows me knows I love a good conspiracy. From reading the attached article at the beginning of the thread, my interest is peaked. This one will keep me fueled till it plays out.

I agree with your assessment on confidence of a coordinator. Guys don't get interviewed in the NFL unless they are a known achiever. The last thing I want as a leader is someone who is not confident enough in himself or his system to create second guessing. Most players will sniff that out the first day and see it as a sign of weakness. To get players to buy into a system, they need to display blind trust with the system, then each other. This is not what you get in the corporate or factory place of employment. Plus, the NFL is a pretty intertwined community. I'm pretty sure if whoever we hire fails, it will not be their last opportunity, due to them not coming into an ideal situation. Now, if a guy came in and screwed up the Colts or Saints offense, he may be doomed. Not much to screw up here.

I'll take Kampman as well. The one thing that needs to be considered while Wale is testing the waters, Kampman will be signing with someone who may covet him. Sooo, we better be careful with this scenario and how it can play out.

I hope it makes Hester jealous to the point he returns punts with a passion again.

The reason he's a former Bear is definately the reason I want him to have a shot. So many former players having coaching success in the league and we don't give them their start. Anyway, he can't be any worse than "trust me" man.

Disagree. There are growing pains with a new OC and system. Although I think the O will better, I doubt it will be greatly better. Here's to hoping I'm wrong.

They wouldn't risk 11 mil to get rid of Lovie, if you think they'll consider 16 mil to keep Ogun...

I would do a backflip. Anyway, if this were more than speculation, I really think Lovie is too stubborn to jump off the sinking ship to find dry land.

Guys, I would like for you to consider life without Ted Phillips. Do you honestly think someone else could come in and do a better job bridging the the gap with the family? I haven't heard a peep from the family for ten years, but yet we have good info that they are still heavilly involved in the process. I personally feel he has convinced the family to spend more money on front loaded contracts and provided JA the ability to retain our own while keeping the team in great cap shape. Sure we haven't won a superbowl, but is that on Phillips? I'll take the lesser of to evils.

Al that to say you were wrong. I'll never get those 2 minutes back...

Exactly what I was going to post but worded better! I do also like Pix's take on getting back to normal on draft picks. All told, I think trading next years 1st for an early 2nd would be OK. I want to start winning sooner than later. Plus we have a ton of holes with the prospect of a crappy FA class. We can zero up the draft another year. One more thing: I don't think Angelo will draft any project players this year, as he knows his time may soon be up.

This is why I believe they should have kept Turner if they weren't completely cleaning house: 1) The team already knows the playbook and the plabook is solid. Hiring a consultant was my idea last year and think it would've been the least expensive route this year. Look at Tom Moore in Indy as an example. I would even endorse Martz for that role. 2) As the OL progressed, the team progressed. Hiestand was a good choice for the scapegoat, as OL coaches are easy to come by. 3) DA was also a pleasant surprise at the end. I wonder if it was Turner or Lovie holding him back? Same with young Williams. 4) I've always been a proponent of validation. With a young QB like Cutler, continuity is a bonus. No luxury on that this off season. We now have to start with a whole new set of standards. 5) Good OC candidates are more than likely leary to cut their teeth with a lameduck staff. It's going to be a huge gamble that could possibly be a career killer.

Way to trainwreck a perfectly good rant LT! Buzzkiller...

No way in hell do I want Martz near this football team. His system worked once and it was a perfect storm. He has since tried and failed miserably. He's a little nutty for what we need...

I was just being sarcastic. We all thought it was make or break for Lovie when he took over the defense. He placed his head firmly on the chopping block, said the D would be better and failled to deliver again. It's easy for Phillips and ownership to clean house after they have played us for fools and saved having to eat Lovie and/or Jerry's salaries next year. They came out and said money was not a factor and the question wasn't asked yet.(HMMMM) Give me a month or so and I'll try to discuss more positive issues, but right now I'm still tasting crap.

Nice one, Madlith. I wholeheartedly agree. I really bet that the ownership did not factor how pissed us fans are. I'm sure my boycott will do little, but if a million Bear fans refuse to buy their shit, they would think differently. It is corporate thinking that rules our team. Take maximized dividends and hope the market does not fall lower than forcasted. It reeks of cheap, but it is their business.

Sorry, wasn't this last season?

I'll take Weis, Saunders and Fassell.(in order) It would also be good to have Bates in a capacity less than OC. What's Billick up to? I kinda like him too. He seems to know what to do with a big armed mobile QB.

A poop sandwich dressed up with the best of trimmings, still tastes like poop.

Agreed, except hell no to Martz. I think he's way too full of himself to be effective anymore.

That's actually pretty damn good

Totally agree with you and Uncle Buck. I just posted the same thought on one of NFO's posts. BTW - just heard on ESPN that Marinelli will be running the D. (about 5PM)

All these moves mean, is that the McCaskey family is still firmly in charge of this team. This move reeks of ineptitude and penny pinching. They save around 8 figures by keeping these clowns and are counting on us fans to continue to sell out their stadium, buy their concessions and buy their NFL merchandise. I am boycotting all of it. If billboards, polls and paper ads are not heard from the fans, we need to make them pay by hurting their pocketbook. I'll be a fan as ususal, but the extent will be TV and internet.

If the Bears management takes the cheap, I mean gutless, I really meant stupid way out and retains Lovie and staff I want to see only two maybe three changes made. 1) Fire Pep 2) Fire Harry Where's Turner you ask? I keep him. Kill me all you want, but hear me out. We all know Lovie is a lame duck, so whoever the new OC is, is lame duck as well. Also, as our OL began to gell our O started to produce. We all know it's too much too little and too late, but can a new OC deliver dramatic success in one year. People bring up up Martz: we all need to realize his playbook is complex and can not be mastered in a year. Also, look at his track record with Detroit and SF.(not good) So, I weigh the option of another year of Turner or running someone's partial offense. My votr goes to 100% of the Turner offense vs 75% of a new offense. New DC you ask? Do we really ever think it will be anything else than Lovie's D? If Lovie was given a mandate to let his new DC have complete controll over the D, I would accept someone new. Otherwise, Lovie placed his head on the block and I'd rather it stay there untill he is done. Personnel is another topic. Fire away all...

"There is a lot wrong with the whole organization, but it is not Lovie,'' Kreutz said. That was enough for me to shut Olin off. I wish one of the oversized boxing gloves would have shot out of the wall and slobberknocked him when he said that. Lovie has a lot to do with the talent on the field and how that talent performs when on the field. Moreso than Angelo. Lovie has lost IT.