Mongo3451

The thing that killed me about Mac was that he didn't need to be injury prone. I remember everyone from Ditka to the broadcast announcers trying to get him to be less reckless. Hell, he had the best OL in the NFL with Covert, Bortz, Hillgenberg, Thayer and Van Horn. There was absolutely no reason for him to be geyying killed like he was. But, that is what made him great to me. There was never any doubt he was going to leave it on the field.

I'm sure Lovie has a lot of input on the players JA brings in via the draft and FA, so I don't think he can lay blame on JA for that. Pulling the trigger on FA's is a different story.

I hope you are right. I think Lovie knows his ass is on the line if the D sucks next year. Anyway, what else does he have to do besides practice his blank gaze?

It started when Briggs was a RFA as well. Now, compare Fitz to Url when you talk about investing too much in one positiion. IE: paying #1's. I can't find a difference. I also recall how we all conjured up deals to try to get compensation for Briggs. We, as in this board, started lowering our standards of what we would take for Briggs in trade. Then we lamented when we franchised him, thinking we were going to lose him and get nothing. Good thing JA knew what he was doing. FYI - JA could have swung the deal for Berrian as well. It would have taken some restructuring of other deals that would have taken him out of great cap shape. Not saying he should have, but he could've. Please convince me of a difference, otherwise I don't understand your point.

That's what everyone said about Briggs. Same situation.

All of you know my thoughts on who is to blame for the collapse of our defense. That being said, I also called for Babich to be the scapegoat. From everything I have been reading, it is looking as if he is staying as DC. Is this Jauron/Shoop all over again? Seriously, WTF is going on? Are they so clueless to think firing the DB coach is going fix the shit we saw on the field? Are they secretly giving the power to Marinelli to save face? Thoughts...

So we simply suck at picking guys with good hands. LOL!! You know the shopping list of WR's we have all been dreaming of?? None of them are on the list! Housh, Boldin, Harrison, Holt and Johnson.

Jason and I had a small debate over Forte's ability to be Faulk-esq. Now that you have thrown that out there, can you eleborate? Of course my rebuttal will destroy you.

Agreed. I happen to be a fan of trading down.(to a degree) But, I think last draft was an example of how NOT to do it. We simply had too many late picks to make it effective. I would have much rather had JA trade some of those late picks to move up in the middle rounds.

I'll call TJ out. Sure he may be right. Favre was clearly the main culprit in their demise. But, you don't call out your teammates or coaches that way. There is never any reason to trash a player/coach that is trying to win. I think what Url did was fine, as he didn't elude to any player or coach. He simply said don't blame me. Frankly, I'd be sick of it too.

Mays is a freak. He's not only the biggest guy in the backfield, but he's also the fastest most fluid and agile player out there. That being said, he's a top 10 pick and out of our range. I think the instant fix for our D-backfield is moving Tillman to FS, retaining Brown as his mentor and signing or drafting a CB.

I will have to disagree that position coaches don't have effect. They teach the technique and provide interpretations for the gameplan that is laid out early in the week. As an example: The coaches study film on Monday and lay out a plan for the week. Practice time comes and the DB coach has laid it out wrong to his players. Now, you've created confusion. The players are now rolling their eyes at someone. This also creates trust issues, as the separate units have less faith. The part I highlighted is what I totally agree with. Holding Lovie as the #1 person accountable for our defensive collapse is a must. However, it's not happening. It's like treating a symptom instead of the root cause. Lovie has to know what is going on at all times. He said "trust me". I don't.

Starting with Tillman. I've been an advocate for him going to FS for a long time. If he moves there, he'll be a pro bowler again. With Tillman at FS, that would leave Vasher at SS. That aint happening. SS's have to hit people and Vasher went to the Deion sanders school of tackling. I would suggest Vasher stick as a nickle, as he has better ball skills than Manning. If Vasher is on the team as a backup, he'll need to take a pay cut.

Nuf said...

C'mon, you are not new at this. You know you will never get the straight truth out of Angelo from now until next season.

Heck, after I wrote it, I bought my 1st pack of cigarettes and flushed a bottle of Viagra down the toilet!

OK, let's go from pipedream to wet dream. Cowher as HC Shanahan as OC Johnson as DC Toub as Toub Ahhhhhhhhhh!

He's just setting the tone for the off season. I'm hoping the entire staff is making an attempt to elevate our deficiencies.

Nice stats. I do think McNabb is worth every penny of the 9 and 10 mil. He is in his prime right now and would gretly benefit from our style of play. His WR's aren't really good and they don't have out TE's and ground game. Sure he would miss Westbrook if we got him, but he would love Olsen, Hester and Forte. And damn he throws a great deep ball! I just don't see Philly parting with him. I also would not give a #1 and #3 for him.

I have to say, I don't usually subscribe to football coaches as genius, but Martz may fit that bill. The thing that kills him is that he tends to out think himself, as was the case with him as a head coach and asst with the Lions and 9'ers. He was ran out on a rail in all three places. Also, with all three places he had the type of weather and stadium that he could do his thing. He has also proven that he can not work with the head coach well. You think Turner makes some head scratching calls try Martz on for size. Warner like Favre has also shown great signs of wear at the end of the season. Nothing is more brutal than our playing conditions and I don't think Warner would hold up. I think you are right about Warner being better than Orton, but think Orton would prove more reliable over the long haul. Plus he's 13 years younger. I would take Collins over Warner. Holt, I agree he is better than anyone we have and would be an instant upgrade. He is just not a #1 anymore. I would love to get Holt and Housh. I also hear rumblings of Marvin Harrison getting cut if he doesn't restructure. The stats aren't there for the offense, but Orton and Co did keep us in games and provided us with some very key drives when needed. All with sub-par talent. Disagree on Forte being able to even come close to the Faulk role, as they are completely different backs. I think we would be squandering the benefits that Forte brings to the table in the style and role he currently plays, which I think is perfectly suited for his talents. Yes, I think Forte's pass catching ability is great. Faulk was used so much differenly because of his elusiveness and accelleration. Now, I will say that Wolfe may be perfectly suited for that role on the limited basis he would play. I'm just very Leary of Martz across the board. Shanahan - I would hire in a second. He would also have the ability to bring in some of his assistants in to help with the entire offense. I just see a coach of his caliber being an assistant anywhere. He'll land a HC job anywhere he goes. Now if you want him as HC, I'm all for it!

Horrible #1 - Martz. He's proven he can't get it done. The greatest show on turf was an anomoly born from the perfect storm of talent and a new style of play. Horrible #2 - Forte V Faulk Forte is great as is, he is not the fit Faulk was for that offense. Forte is perfect for the power running game and Bear weather. Horrible #3 - Keeping Babich. Someone needs to fall on the sword for this defense. I expect a player or two to be affected. It just can't be the DB coach. Horrible #4 - Firing Turner. The offense is the only reason we won 9 games this season. Plus, bringing in a new OC will stagnate the offense. The only way I see a new OC coming in is if we make a big play for a QB that JA eluded to. Horrible #5 and #6 - Warner and Holt. I would take both of them as #2's but they in no way could resurrect the glory days for Martz, as they are past their prime. I totally disregard Hub on this.

Quick note: If cutting and pasting from publications, you need to give the source credit. Disagree on that being our #1 problem. I would argue that Babich and Lovie did a far worse job, as he answered to Babich who answered to Lovie. Also, the D-line NOT getting pressure absolutely killed our DB's this year. The LB's lined up on the LOS and us blitzing is a close 2nd, if not a tie. I can see Haley and Babich possibly gone today, Monday at the latest.

You could almost equate our D to one of those Mega-Disasters episodes on History Channel.

I'd fire Lovie and Babich in the locker room. I think Turner did a decent job with little talent. I'd promote Toub to asst head coach for next season and hire Ron Rivera to be our HC. But, that is far from what will happen. Of course my real dream is still Cowher.