Mongo3451

A = Lions, Raiders, knicks... I know it's all in good fun, but when leadership is not present from the top down it does, will, and has occurred. We all have to remember, these guys are pro's but also very young men prone to lapses in character. I would be willing to bet my life that any of our players would mind playing for a great leader who jumped in their ass occassionally. Everyone knows we will never hire Cowher, as Lovie has done enough for another year. Next year will definately have to take another upswing.

I wasn't trying to bait you. I did read your whole post simply thought it contradictory. Anyway, you need your shit stirred from time to time. It gets things going. Thanks for the clarification.

I have had an idea I've been floating around, but have no idea if it would work or not. First, I've been on the bandwagon to platoon Brown for the last couple of years thinking the lack of reps and rest would potentially keep him healthy. That being said, I do like the player coach idea and wonder if the following scenario might work. It begins with Manning. I have loved his aggressive play as of late and there is no denying he is a physically gifted player. He simply lacks it upstairs. Here's where Brown comes into play. If he knows he's not the starter and also being paid to coach, what would prevent him from being in Mannings hip pocket in training camp and OTA's. I mean right with him, constantly in his ear, shoving him into position and letting him know what he sees in real time. I know with some players the light never comes on, but IMO we've been waiting on the physical nature of Manning to arrive and it has. What's to say, with a little creative coaching the light won't be as bright as we need it to be?? Just a thought...

I'll put it in internet owner terms. You say you like what Lovie brings to the table, but you don't like the product of his work. That's like saying you love the BJ you get at the local brothel then bitching about the nut you busted. Service vs Product.

The bold and the top comment kinda contradict each other, don't you think? How can you be a Lovie fan and NOT hold him accountable for how we play all the way down to Hesters transformation? Remember, "Trust me". Doesn't take an internet GM to figure that out.

That had the tone of a eulogy. I don't think he is through yet. I have been a proponent for platooning him for a while. He keeps getting these calf injuries because he never leaves the field. He has known issues with fatigue and re-hydration, yet he never leaves the field. A lot of coaches monitor snaps played. I think this may be a good thing for him and for the development of younger players.

That had the tone of a eulogy. I don't think he is through yet. I have been a proponent for platooning him for a while. He keeps getting these calf injuries because he never leaves the field. He has known issues with fatigue and re-hydration, yet he never leaves the field. A lot of coaches monitor snaps played. I think this may be a good thing for him and for the development of younger players.

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I agree with most of the previos post, so I only pasted the part i disagree with. Most blitzes are effective between the tackles. My issue is with the main set-up and disguising of these blitzes. The coaches are trying keep lanes filled while blitzing which is very effective against draws and standard runs. But, are often easy to pick up by the OL, as nothing is truly overloaded. Also, Manning has been successful on his outside blitzes because they are set up by the inside blitzes. NFO said we should be attacking from all angles and that I really agree with, as it will keep the offense guessing. Also, I want our CB's pressing more on blitzes to eliminate the hot routes.

I agree with almost everything you said, except "I will take Forte over AP, he is a much better all around player." You lost it on that one. AP is the scariest RB I have seen in long time, maybe ever. I love Forte, but would cut him in a second for AP.

Wow, that's exactly how I see it as well. I would like a beast of a guard drafted way early. Beekman, IMO, has earned his place as a starter. I have been impressed with his quick feet and ability to work in space. 10 more pounds and a little more strength should make the left side a staple for the next decade. I would also add another stud OL the next year as well, as Kruetz will be close to the end. Where the hell has Buenning been anyway??

Agreed on Johnson and the remaining thought process. However, ...drumroll please... Do you really think our cheap, I mean fiscally responsible management is going to pay top dollar for a coordinator. Remember they begrudgingly paid Lovie.

The team and staff are not going to spend their time and effort arguing with Hampton. I love Hampton, but he tends to be a little over-opinionated, which could lead to mud slinging if a war of words started. Better just to let him talk without poking a stick at a HOFer. Plus, he's probably somewhat right.

Thanks for the updates Jason and Conner(other post). Here's what I got from my front row view from the couch. 1) I love the MNF crew. It looks like they really hit on a good combination. 2) Orton has two things to focus on this off season. First, he needs to be able to go through his progressions without locking onto his recievers. Second, is the deep ball. He's missed Hester I multitude of times. This causes more trouble than just losing the down, because until he starts hitting these the opposing D just sits in the box and dares him. 3) There were plays that we line up 10 yards off the ball. I remember one play where Steltz turned his back to the LOS and was sprinting backwards before the ball snapped. He made it at least 25 yards down the field and a 20 yard pass was completed in the void he left. WTF was that? Also, agree with someone that said our LB's up close to the LOS and our DB's far back are not a good combo, as it creates instant reads and lanes for the QB and WR respectively. 4) I thought our DL played well enough, but would have like to see a couple of sack. 5) Danielle Manning has grown up. He is a f@cking animal returning kicks and coming off the corner. Now we just need him to learn how to give Rodgers whiplash instead of tha weak takedown. (It's a matter of timing and attitude ) 6) Garza is the uncontested weakest link on our OL. If Williams knows the playbook, I'd start him there next week. 7) I know the field conditions were horrible, but Turner needs to call more than inside counters and traps. The Packers not only played 8 in the box most of the night, but is was a compressed box at that. A couple of counter tre's, sweeps and a reverse or two would have gone a long way towards softening up the the cluster f@ck in the middle of the field. I have more, but am still soaking up the fact that we beat the Packers and they have to suck on the fact, that if they had any heart they would have won that game.

Keep in mind, word on the street is that the Colts are going to cut Marvin Harrison for cap reasons. I think he's on the books for 8mil next year. Torri Holt is a maybe, as well.

Now the Giants are down against the Panthers. That will make NYG hungry for the Queens! We better not lose tomorrow.

Get your Prozac ready because this is going to drive you over the edge. There are several reasons moving Tillman to FS would be a great move for the team. (Disclaimer: It all depends on being confident of his replacement) 1) Tillman has good straightline speed = more suited to play FS, as a corner his man often gets open because he does not cut and change direction as well as most. Where he makes up for it by hustling to make the tackle and making the strip. Next point segway. 2) Tackling - He is a great tackler. At FS he will get more attempts to do what he does best. AP might not kill us with Brown in the box and Tillman at FS. 3) Stripping - Again more opportunities to do what he does better than anyone. 4) Scheme - A lot of our scheme is predicated on the CB turning the reciever over to the FS. With Tillmans straightline speed and natural ball skills he would be a dangerous center fielder. 5) Size - He has the natural size to add a few pounds and still maintain his agility. The way Tillman likes to hit, I could imagine him making some highlight reels from this position. 6) Natural fit - When drafted the experts said his natural fit was to play FS. One expert was quoted as saying, "If he doesn't make it at CB, he will be an all-pro safety". Of course he has made it at CB, so he only gets replaced if we find someone servicable at the position. Opinion - From what I see from our defense we have lacked a ball hawk since Brownie lost his speed. With Brown in the box and Tillman on patrol. I think the Bears DB's get better through getting the right peices in place to make the collective unit better. I also want Vasher at nickel, but that's a different topic.

He was joking, Wesson.

Never said he wouldn't draw interest. I just would be surprised if he gets big money elsewhere. I can only imagine him getting an incintive laden deal anywhere he goes. When healthy, he's worth every penny. When injured, he rips your heart out. Agreed on wanting him to retire a Bear. Just at a contract that doesn't hurt when he goes down. But us owing him because he redid his deal last year was as much for him as it was us, as he was getting ready to be cut - IMO. It gave him a chance to revive his career when other teams may have written him off and/or brought him in on a Kevin Jones type deal. (which is very high risk for the player)

That's all you took from that post? I guess it really doesn't matter. It's not like he's worth big money that would lead to exess bidding for his services. The difference between a team friendly deal and highest bidder should be minimal.

I have an idea. How about we bribe the towel boy into taping some boxing gloves on the fullback inside the red zone and on 3rd and one??

I think DE would be huge for our defense. I think our DB's and LB's have suffered from a true lack of pass rush. We have dedicated more personnel to blitzing and playing in the box than any other team this year, without results. I love Suggs and wanted him out of college. I remember there was speculatution he would be a bust due to his 40 time. But, real football people know a player when they see one, so Baltimore pulled the trigger. I wonder with 20 mil how creative JA can be. If we sign Suggs, we can cut Brown or Wale to make more room. Resign M Brown for a team friendly deal (damn he owes us). Draft a day one corner and move Peanut to FS, the D should be on point. That would leave money to sign an upgrade at WR. Then we draft an OG and OT one day one. With luck we get another day one pick for a WR as compensation for Berrian. I also want the nastiest FB in the draft, whch can happen on day two. Other cuts for cap may be Tait, Garza, Metcalf, Booker, Davis, McKie and Hillenmeyer. Of course all won't be gone, but there is a chance that these will be the ones depending on moves. I have spoken, therefore it shall be done!!

Not true. It's just the way Turner needs it with the talent we have. If they get road graters for a OG and FB, then Turner will have a strength to rely on. It won't be the threat of someone no-one is afraid of. If we have that true strength to rely on, Turner can trick people with play action and screens to players who are real weapons.

All stats for QB's will have these ebs and flows. I would argue that Orton has missed or failed to see 3X that amount. Overall, I think his play has earned him some sort of extension this year or next, as he has proven he can play in this league. It depends on if he still has upside or the staff feels he is tapped will be the determining factor as to whether he is a starter or backup for the remainder of his career.

I see Booker and Davis being cut loose. No use keeping a guy that doesn't have it anymore in Booker. With Davis you have a marginal size/talent guy that finds a way to blow opportunities on a consistent basis. I hope Lloyd sticks around. I have loved some of the catches he has made. My problem with him is the rumored attitude and dedication issues seem to have some teeth. Hester is also a keeper. He will keep defenses honest. Bennett dumbfounds me. Either he sucks or our coaches do. Who's coming clean 1st?? Rideou should stay as well, because he is young and has good hands with size to boot. All told, I think Hester will continue to mold into a dangerous #2. I actually think our QB is the key to this, as I have seen him missed wide open more than a few times this season. You could easily add 4 TD's and 200 yards to Hester's stats if Orton could throw the deep ball better. I'm still hoping for a solid off-season aquisition WR. Hindsight and what we'll have to pay will make us regret the loss of Berrian by thinking we could have had him cheaply. After that, we draft a guy that is big and tough that will play Bear football. IE: A Hines Ward wannabe.