Mongo3451

Has he ever been caught from behind? Damn he's fast!

I love and hate Belichick. I gotta say he's lucked into a lot of wins. IE: the tuck rule and the 5 yard contact re-inforcement. I also wonder how many close games they won while cheating. We'll never know for sure. Still, he's a helluva coach and his players are intensely loyal to the him and the program, That puts him in the top 10, but not the top.

I won't care about the off-season until the off-season, but way to follow up with facts and an article that presents a very solid viewpoint. FYI - I totally agree. As of now, I'm thinking DE, OL and S.

Bill Walsh

Turner gets a pass, but Lovie gets flamed until HIS defense shows up to play. Agreed on the assumption that they run it again.

[quote They are going to run Matt into the ground before they go with an RB tandem... I think you are right, unfortunately. What good will Forte be when they run his dick into the dirt? That's been my question for a few weeks running. I don't care who spells Forte as long s he's fresh when we need him.

Just pray Mike Brown can play, as he will be playing in the box all game long and the key to stopping AP.

This is the difference between football players and ex-football players. Replace a uncreative 1st round QB with a 4th rounder and a bottle of Jack; then replace a heartless 1st round RB with a hungry 2nd rounder and Turner's offense actually works. Even though the D blows, I actually have more hope than I did pre-season, but for the opposite reason. We talked about the incompleteness of our O, but now we have a RB and QB that can get the job done. Combine that with an above average TE set and we have 3 out of the 5 essential pieces to the puzzle on offense. Now, I'll be back on the bandwagon for OL this off season. Anquan would be a miracle.

Again, I am going to harp on the coaching staff. It seems as if Vasher has lost his motivation to earn his paycheck. If he's my player, he gets a private meeting in the office. If that doesn't work... PINE! If that doesn't work... Traded or cut! Dusty is a different story. I've complained about this before, but our staff usually rides a horse until it's dead. Dusty could use a break to get his legs back. If the staff knew how to spell players during the game, it would go a long way. Fresh legs of Adams, Harrison and Idonije can go a long way. I'll also add that they are grinding Forte into the dirt. There is no reason why Jones and Wolfe rarely see the field. The Forte situation is really a shame, because his career will be cut short due to over-use. We are tied for 1st place, but would have a 2 game cushion if the coaching staff knew it's collective ass from a hole in the ground.

The public wants Babich's head on a silver platter and Lovie does not let him off the hook with the above statements. It may be one of those chicken / egg conversations, but I really want to know who is calling the shots for the defense. My contention all along is that Lovie is responsible for our defensive collapse and the author is insenuating the same. Others say it's Babich in way over his head. It started and will end with "Trust me". I still think it's all Lovie. It's time for him to break his foot off in some asses and publicly take over the defense. If the players don't respond, they are not worthy of the "C" on their helmet. If Lovie fails to motivate them, he's not worthy either. There is a difference in getting beat and getting a beatdown. I can handle the 1st if it's legit. I have no stomach for the other.

Turner's offense has proven to be effective now that Rex hasn't been given the keys to the kingdom. Turner stays. He has proven himself, now, for the 2nd time with this organization. Unlike the Rex years, I've only questioned his play calling a couple of times this year.

I also like to have our OLB's blasting WR's and TE's off their quick routes. But, it doesn't happen in our scheme.

I'm voting for Grossman, with a hook at halftime if he does not show anything. At least Hanie could provide some hope in the second half. Also, Hanie could play like he has nothing to lose. Rex has a whole career on the line during the time Kyle is out. Hanie can completely suck and it will all be attributed to him getting his 1st action. If he's a hero, he still doesn't take Kyle's spot.

I would also like to see our OLB's knock some recievers out on those slent passes. It's tough to do from the LOS. The angle is simply not there. This is a huge thing for me. I don't see us dictating where recievers go very often. You can sometimes funnel them and give your defense more options. Agreed with vasher at nickel. D manning has been our best blitzer, but they have not utilized him in that role a lot lately. Creative. LOL That's F'n hillarious. I don't think anyone on our staff is capable. 5 Get Lovie Smith more involved in the defensive calls, and let people know it. See above. Seriously, Lovie doesn't have the "Greatest show on turf" to make other teams one dimensional. I still think Lovie is the problem. I would love to eat crow, but I really think Lovie is behing the preparation and execution during the week. What else does he to do during the season?? I simply don't think Lovie would be anymore cerebral than Babich. Again, I hope I am wrong, I just think Lovie is in the lower tier of the coaching ranks when it comes to brains.

Agreed on the subtle comments made by the players. I still believe you are villifying the wrong guy. IMO - Lovie calls the shots.

I tend to agree, but think you are missing the greatest weakness. Preparation. Our D is one dimensional, undisciplined and somewhat unmotivated. That all happens during the week. In game adjustments don't occur that much when you are submitting the other team to your will. What do you think Lovie works on all week? Babich is a game token, Lovie is everything else. Rivera was that guy and he got ran out on a rail. Then, Lovie said those famous words... Hiring another DC get's Lovie another year or two of excuses and another scapegoat. Another thing Lovie is somewhat on the hook for is the huge contracts that were laid out to some really underperforming players. I know JA controls the purse strings, but Lovie has a ton of say. My hope is the defense gets hell bent for redemption and ends makes the Lovie / Babich debate moot.

My opinion, for what it is worth... I said this pre-season so this is not a knee jerk reaction. If this defense can not get it's collective head out of it's ass, Lovie must go. Lovie told us not to worry and Lovie has been dead wrong for a season and a half so far. Nobody need blame Babich. If it were Babich, Lovie would have subplanted him already. The shame of this is, we were all clamoring about the offense being the hold up with statements like: If the offense could give the D a breather, If only the offense could score early in the game. If the offense could put points on the the board, the D could pin it's ears back and get to the QB. If only we could get Mike Brown, Url and Tommie healthy, the D would be stellar. All those wishes have been granted by the football gods. Since Chico left, it's been Lovie and everyone knows it. Now, here's the problem if we fire Lovie - we lose Turner. Stop laughing, as I kinda chuckled too. But, if you look at it, he's finally got the balance required to run his scheme and it is working. If Turner goes, Orton has to learn another playbook and the offense could take a step back. Combine that with the new coach coming in and installing a new D, of which we would probably not have the personnel to run it. As bad as our D is, imagine how bad it would be if they had to change to a scheme not suited to their collective skillset. It's all Lovie...

First, unless Brown is 100%, I sit him. I'd go with Manning and play him a tad deeper than usual. I'd also suggest playing starting Grahm and play vasher at nickel, as we need our best tacklers on the outside. I would run a lot of run blitzes and make Collins beat us. Anything to get the D Line fired up, as they the key to our success.

Two things. I could give a crap who scores, unless they are on my fantasy team. Second, I have no problem with Rex celebrating. The look on his face was pure joy. After what he's been through, I think he deserves to let go a little.(and us fans should be happy for him) It's not like he thought that TD earned him the starters job.

I know I'm going to sound like Lovie on this, but... We have to play the player that gives us the best chance of winning. I'll take Orton if he says he can play. The next part is what Lovie probably would not do. If I'm Lovie, I tell Orton he's getting a quick hook at the 1st sign that the injury is affecting his play or judgement. Rex did barely enough for us to win the game Sunday, but he looked like the same Rex as last year. (plodding, deliberate, locked into a receiver) Rex just has no Moxie.

My guess is that the publication made a mistake. No way we pay that.

Just saw Tommie Harris in last nights episode of Criminal Minds on DVR. The good part is, he really sucks at acting. So, he'll have more time to focus on earning his pay check.

On offense: I am loving what I am seeing from Orton. It seems like he get cooler every week. We are finally getting our TE's more involved. Our OL gets no push, but are surprising me at pass blocking. Matt Forte is being used too much. IMO - Jones should be getting more reps in the 2nd half of the season, as I don't want to see Forte completly worn down. On defense: I have to believe there is some life left in the pass rush. Hunter and M. Brown look slow as get out. We are 8 points away from being undefeated. In each of those defeats our defense was gashed when it counted. Time for the money side of the ball to step up or I can see some surprising cuts and/or trades this off-season. ST: Solid as usual!

My washed up player is Hilly. He was awful today. If he's not in perfect position, he's completely unable to make a play.

I'm not far from agreeing with this thought. Harris may be able to draw value if he can prove he is healthy. Url, I think a coach like Belichick would salivate to have a backer with his size and speed. A beast DE is key to a pass rush and we need at least 2 high picks at OT and OG next year. Add a top safety prospect and we are out of luck without extra picks. We'll have a lot to discuss again this off-season.