Mongo3451

Agreed on all counts! I'll go further in saying it will be hard to find a good LT prospect past Sam Baker, who is projected late 1st/early 2nd.

If he can be had at a bargain and is healthy, I could see us getting him back if needed.

Dude, I bust your chops because you bitched the last two drafts about reaching. Now you are all for it. Now, I have to answer this manifesto. That’s because he’s now projected as a RT due to displaying limited technique and mobility. That is a monstrous reach for us. The staff would have to have a major boner for this guy to take a known guard, instead of a tackle, especially at 14. It’s easy to argue Freeney VS Peppers. Peppers was supposed to be the greatest DL drafted since Reggie White. He has underperformed so far vs Freeney, let alone the expectations of being the #2 pick. I really wouldn’t consider a safety in the same class as a top DE, so I’m taking Reed out of the discussion. There’s a huge difference in DE’s fitting a scheme vs OT’s. I get the comparison, but OT’s, especially LOT’s simply do what they do for the most part.(Control the backside and seal the pocket) If they can’t do that they are a RT. I believe someone stated when he was drafted, that if he didn’t make it as a corner he would be an all-pro safety. Damn, I brought up Ed Reed again. Again, not a reach as he a typical cover two corner. My God man! You are still typing... What a machine!!!

You don't have to convince me. I think he's pretty good and have him in my mock draft. I just ain't buyin' in the 2nd round. Nothing you have said has him projected there either.

I just want to address this point, as it is valid. We don't know why the OL sucked last year, they just did. We have to assume the coaches weren't so bad bad as to ruin the continuity of a veteran OL that had played together for years. The staff has determined by grading game tape and having intimate knowledge that 40% of the OL needed let go. Knowing this, how can we add skill positions with no blockers. It's like buying a race car and putting low octane fuel in it. It will now run like a used Yugo.

What happens is this... You put him at right tackle and you attempt to draft a left tackle the next year. You MUST understand this key point. We could have Peyton Manning and he would underperform this year. Not because he has no-one to throw to but because he is on his back. IE: our situation last year. It all starts up front for offense and defense. Always has, always will.

Last I heard, he is not a projected 2nd rounder. One of our 3rds should suffice.

You of all people should never be accepting of a reach. (and that is what both are at 14) Otah is a true RT, unless you know he's going to be an all-pro, he's a reach at 14. Albert is still too unknown and huge reach. Trade down and you can probably draft two of these three in the 1st two rounds. (Otah, Albert and Baker) The Freeney analogy is not very solid. He was a stud that was highly coveted by Polian and Angelo. IE: Great pick for the scheme and not close a reach in Polian's eyes, he is arguably the most accomplished player of that entire draft.

I wish I would have read this one before posting about this on another thread. Because, of course, you said it better!

You have to start somewhere. From day one of this off-season this has been my mantra! Fix the OL first. Nothing will ever be good about our O untill this happens. We really needed to pony up and get a good G or T in FA. Hasn't happened yet. I'm really hoping Rueben Brown proves he can get healthy for one more season and a cap cut will happen on an OT somewhere. OL needs to be our top pick, but if it shakes out that we miss out on the top 3, I don't think Otah is worth our pick. In that case, I hope we get to trade down. I wouldn't even be against trading up to ensure we get Clady or Williams. But, you know JA is not going to do that. The way these mocks are turning out, my concern is that we are not going to get maximized value on needs vs talent available. Two weeks ago it looked like we were OK to get a good LT. Now, BPA may be Mendenhall with no blockers.

If that is the way the OT position plays out, I'll be depressed. It is a very likely scenario though. All in all, I have to agree with you given the options.

I'd sign him to an incentive laden 1 yr deal and tell him and Benson that this year is an audition for their NFL career. In all likelyhood, if they both flop, we'll be drafting RB high next year anyway.

LOL! I know, I know. I just couldn't part with the 1st rounder for Pete's sake. The Kool-aid fountain is on!

Here's mine. I posted it another thread, but should've placed it here. We give AZ nexts years 2nd and 5th for Boldin. Followed by the draft 1) Chris Williams- OT 2) Chad Henne(1) or Joe Flacco(2)- QB 3) Chilo Rachal- OG 3) Matt Forte- RB 4) Owen Schmitt- FB 5) Adarious Bowman- WR Stopped at 5th round. I really don't care to see us stockpile any more defenders this draft.

Do you have any charts or links to the velocity numbers? I would like to compare that to QB's over the last two decades. Just for kicks.

No to Chris Brown and Shawn Alexander. I want a young guy with a little fire in his belly. I don't think a couple of laid back vets are going to push or inspire Benson, nor will they be very productive. To get through our line, it's going to take the explosion only young legs produce.

Modest contract with a little frontloading should do. Not 4 mil per year.

Let's pull the trigger for JA! Hell, I'll do the draft too. We give AZ nexts years 2nd and 5th for Boldin. Followed by the draft 1) Chris Williams- OT 2) Chad Henne(1) or Joe Flacco(2)- QB 3) Matt Forte- RB 3) Chilo Rachal- OG 4) Owen Schmitt- FB 5) Adarious Bowman- WR Sorry, after I blew a nut I stopped drafting. Screw defense this year. We'll just pray for Mike Brown to stay healthy.

I would love to get Williams. He seems to have all the qualities of a good LOT. My fear is that he'll be gone, leaving Otah. Otah IMO is a pure ROT. Now, here's a scenario for you all. If we don't get Williams, I'd really love trading down and drafting Otah and Sam Baker. Baker translates to LOT, but has questions. Being a former lineman, I'd love to have bookend tackles pay off in the draft. We'd be set for a decade and FINALLY be able to groom a franchise QB.

It shows the sad state of the Bengals. To have a player strike the head-coach, only to cover it up and say it never happened. No wonder their locker room is a mess. As a player, I would never respect that coach again. I think Brown is the owner/GM there. Kinda reminds me of the Mikey days. The Bengals will be losers until the team develops a chain or command. As of now, the inmates run the asylum.

Mike Brown starting 19 games this year!

They did, but that may have been after preliminary negotiations with his agent demanding too much. Let him test the waters and come back cheaper. IMO - If his shoulder is OK he has a good year left in the tank.

If you think Fitzgerald will become available, you should agree with Terra Tor more often. Otherwise, please come back to the light.

Dude, he's like the Dad in the stands(you know, the one with the matching mullet) of his eight year olds baseball game; yelling throw the heater, throw the heater! Or pushing his Mom over in a potato sack race because losing is unnacceptable. It would truly suck to be a fan with this perspective, knowing the season is doomed before it starts.

, and then Brendon said on CSN last night that he was going to call JA today to make sure he wasn't going to offer him a deal, so I really like the statement JA has put out this year. "We will try to keep you in the fold, but don't f@*k with us!" Brendan ran his mouth in the media about how much he should get paid. JA's statement to the press??? Oh, that was the dialtone Brendans agent got. LOL! Glad Brendan got paid. Even gladder we didn't do the payin'.