Mongo3451

Whole heartedly agree...

Davis is a beast! Once he learns his craft, sky's the limit for him. He's just not spent a whole lot of time at TE.

Kickers are not football players.

Again, you and Jason need to get off each others nutsacks. Many people wanted OL.(Me, Pix, Chile, Conner, BrianBear, BearSox, etc...) You just happened to be blasted for it.

I didn't say stud. I said better. Bryant Johnson has more upside/talent than Booker and it would not have killed us to franchise Berrian for a year, while we stabilized the position. You don't know much about football. You ask, I'll enlighten.

Agreed on all accounts. I also think Bowman will turn out to be a great value pick as well. Aside from not hitting on OL, JA had a potentially outstanding draft. We'll know in a year or two.

Really? http://www.talkbears.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=1582

Best post you have ever written! Of course I don't ever expect much from you, but that was classic!

Rex may not have gotten a fair shake; but the combination of him and the OL are exposed bare naked on the 50 yard line. Orton has to be our QB, not that he's any better. He just the right QB at the right time for this offense. He will not get blitzed as much as Rex.

That is why we need to name a QB and starting WR's today. I called for this last week as well. The main reason is that we to stabilize all other positions so the OL will know what to block for. Right now, you have the "who does what best package". This line of thinking is why I've been down on Lovie. Smart strong coaches like Parcells, Belichick, Cowher etc... would have come in and said, we are going to start by getting one thing right, then we'll work on the rest. I have never seen a situation this far into training camp where NOTHING is solidified. TC battles should have been over with this offense. It's hard enough fielding an NFL caliber offense with talent, timing, play selection, scheme and execution coming into play. We've had all year to figure this out.

I'd love too. One - We should have signed a stud OG (Faneca) Two - We should have signed a better WR than Booker. Three - Should have made a move to get Brohm or Henne(my guy) in the 2nd round. If you look at our OL situation you should see that Faneca would have made the OL incrementally better. Even now with Williams out, th OL would 80% good. 60% doesn't cut it. The fact that the staff was comfortable with Benson untill his serial drunkedness took affect slays me. Again, I love that we rewarded our own, but IMO we could have worked it out another day. Your turn...

I think he shut all his detractors up last week. If he tweaks his hammy, they'll be back. And I'll be tee-ing off on Lovie again.

I never felt it was. Same to you. I attached to your post, but wanted to send a general message. My simple rant is that anyone who has a legit beef with this staff has every right. I, like you and others grow weary of the negative posts with no teeth. To sum my belief in a nutshell: I simply think JA and Lovie played this off-season like they were content instead of hungry.

Agreed. I'm looking to see if they rest Wolfe as well.

Loved it! Poetic justice at it's best. Here's to hoping Mike Brown does the same thing to him!!

I know what you all mean about the negatism. I am guilty to a degree this year though. I wonder if anyone remembers a few years ago, when it was all negative all the time. I was then called a voice of reason and a kool-aid drinker. (and we kicked ass!) I totally love that Angelo has taken care of our own. But, as far as the off-season goes that is it. I have lost faith in our staff, plain and simple, and it begins and ends with Lovie. I am tired of watching and hearing the same old thing with our team and coaching staff. We were supposed to be bulletproof last year and proved not to be. We did NOTHING to stabilize what hurt us last year and had the chance to do so. Looking forward to this season is like looking forward 3 years ago, but with a horrible OL I am not optimistic. It's not being a chicken little or negative nancy. It is simply a football philosophy. I am a Bear fan and used to the ups and downs. I've never been a Lovie fan and likely will never be. I prefer coaches who have a little fire in their belly. Lovie stands on the sideline with a stupified look on his face when he should be fired up. He says things in the media that just dumbfound me. He seems to me like he wants to be a buddy more than a coach. Most of all, he seems in over his head. This coaching staff and team really needs to show me something this year. Starting with the defense: They will have to be dominant throughout the season for us to have any shot at all. Special teams: Will be solid, but not spectacular, mostly because teams will not kick to Hester due to no fear of our offense. Our offense will simply have to hold the line.(literally) I expect them to rank 20th at best and likely around 25th. We should be middle of the pack in scoring, due to the D and ST. What do all the negativity critics have to say about where we will be and how we'll get there? Cause all I hear is a bunch of bitching. Prove me wrong and I'll eat the crow and love every second of it!

One. I said average and you morphed it into good to head off your post. Not a fair start to your argument. Two. Argue the point of which unit would improve/decline the most with the addition / loss of a player. Again, you morphed my post to fit your argument. Three. Don't you think one of our better defensive talents would land us a really good O lineman? Thus helping the O more than hurting the D? Our O will destroy our D this year, if something is not done. Our skill positions will be good enough to do their part, but the O-line will destroy any hope they have to be successfull. I wouldn't want to see any starters go also. It just simply makes sense, if the right value is out there. We'll get an indicator on how the OL holds up on the 3rd pre-season game. Of course it will be too late to get quick value out of any trade.

You two windbags can pontificate and hold court with your common sense all you want. I enjoy most of it. Just wish I had the time and ability to type the manifestos you guys come up with to decide who's tiny penis is the biggest. Oh, I meant to say ego instead of penis.

The intention of the list was NOT to suggest we trade all of those players. It was just players that we could possibly trade. We can't and won't field an average offense with the talent we have. The only way to imagine that is to pick up help on the OL. On the defensive side we are double stacked at all positions. Trading one or two players would not have as significant impact to the defense as it would improve the offense. Addition by subtraction. Not trying to talk you into anything, but I think you misunderstood the intent of the original post.

I have no problem with that scenario. My initial rant had nothing to do with Hanie, as I previously posted an example of the huge love for Orton in his 1st TC. Cont'd below... This i vehimently disagree with. We have no room for error this year. Especially, Ja on down having the ability to save face at the risk of a roster spot. If there was strategic reason to keep Williams on the roster, I would listen. Him playing this year is not going to happen. That is the sole purpose of my rant. When it comes down to us letting someone like AP or Hass go, or stocking an extra OL. There is so much you can play with th practice squad.

If that is the case, I'm starting a Bill Cowher campaign. Hell, I've been doing it anyway. I'm sick of the idiotic things I keep hearing from our organization from JA to the waterboy. Williams will provide NOTHING to us this year, if ever. Not IRing him is only so JA can save face. Someone doesn't get a chance to play because we've got a set of stubborn ass's running the show.

Oher is a beast! Greatest need, OL again.

I don't mind trading picks, but the post was for tradable players. I just want something done so we don't completely suck. Picks, players or a combination of both, I don't care. There may not be a doable scenario in the whole league. If we are lucky, we'll find a team as desparate as we are that has talent we need while needing talent we have to offer. Neither team will get killed on the deal and everybody is better. Odds are unlikely though. .

You have to able to "sell" a screen pass to the defense. About like playing poker, if you a "tell" on your hand a pro will have you read quickly. Sometimes it's coaching, sometimes personnel. I have to give coaching a pass on this as this is taught in grade school. It's more than likely we don't work on it enough, so the O is practicing it more, making it easier for OUR D to read and react. Let's judge game film, not practice on this one.

I've been thinking about our OL almost exclusively, this off season. I'm thinking we have some highly tradeable talent on this roster that we can utilize to upgrade the OL. The reason I'm talking trade is because I want a rising player, not a cap cut or scrap heap player. Here's a look at our tradeable players. D. Manning - will not hurt us to be gone. Cap friendly for whoever may want him. R. Manning -Obviously already on the block. Cap friendly for us and may fill a huge need for a deprived team. A. Adams - Looking good for us, but we are deep. Cap friendly for both. I. Idonije - Again, we are deep. Buffalo still may want. Cap friendly again. A. Ogunleye - Please no booing here. He would hurt, but an OL would help more than his loss. M. Anderson - young talented enigma. Has value for contract and potential. M. Brown - Instant help for a team that needs a FS piece of the puzzle. L. Briggs - Did not sign a monster deal, so is very tradable. We'd eat some bonus, but could net a stud player. Depth behind him. Vasher and Tillman - Blasphemy! Not really. Good players with solid market value. Again, they would hurt... Lastly, Olsen and Clark - I don't see this as a fix, as they ae currenly involved in the OL/WR solution to our woeso see anyone go. Sooo, I'm mainly looking at a plethera of D players that could be moved for the greater good of the team. IMO - the depth would absorb the shock of the loss. I'd hate to see anyone go, but I'm passionate about getting the OL stronger in a hurry. I'm not of the mindset that we have the talent on O to even be game managers. Our season may ride in the balance.