Mongo3451

Totally agree! There are hanful of QB's out there that are great on their own. Outside of that, they need help. It usually starts with a good to great OL, running game and a good defense. The QB's, TE's and WR's will become better as the sum of all parts are better.

A video is out on ESPN.com with Mel Kiper and Todd McShay discussing the draft. Surprisingly, Kiper picked the Bears as the team that helped itself the most for this year. He also said we had the best UDFA signing in Caleb Hanie, saying he has an NFL arm and could be a quality starter in the future. You know me, I could give a crap what Kiper says, but it was nice to see the good pub.

So drafting starters is short sighted??? That's what GM's get paid to do. You are killing me here. All GM's draft as if their life depended upon it. Only when you are on-lineHe said he thought the Safety could be a starter. He called the QB backup material. He went on to say the QB's were mediocre this year. Stop looking for the magic bullet.

That was my whole pretense for calling BS on King. He said we were one of 3 teams he didn't like in the draft. No way were even bottom half.

One - He has a steel plate in his lower ankle. Two - His carreer is on thin ice anyway. Three - the Bears are pathological liars when it comes to injuries. IE: Rueben Brown and others. Four - Lovie and JA have both called out Benson this off season. Why? Is he not re-habbing as well as he should. Is his psyche fragile and he's needing a kick in the ass. Have the doctors said he could have lost a step. FYI - I have heard medical opinion on this type injury. Not Benson's specifically, but very similar instances. Ankle flexion can be lost, as well as stability causing the delicate balance of power and nimbleness to be compromised. You say we have two young, healthy QBs. I say we have two unproven QBs who are not locked up for the long term. Our QBs position has been a question mark (at best) for a long time, and we have yet to see anything from Rex or Orton that should lead us to believe the position is solid. I am not saying we should believe Benson is a stud. My point is w/ the idea that we needed a RB more than a QB. How long have we searched for a QB? Who doesn't want it fixed? I just don't agree there was any future help past the 3rd round. Tad? That's like you claiming you could have turned the Titanic with a squirt gun. Still no. Hell no. Safety is easier to draft and expect to contribute on special teams, especially in the 4th round. Question. Who would you have drafted past the 3rd? Do you really feel Forte will contribute less than a QB would? Or do simply desire us to trade some picks to the 2nd and get Henne / Brohm?

Foolishness huh? How about thinking QB is our greatest need? I haven't ever disagreed more with you or anyone else who thinks QB was our greatest need going into to this draft. No shit. Everyone thought it got addressed with Griese 2 yesrs ago. Remember when we went to the SuperBowl? Let me ask you a question. Was it bad draft because we didn't get a QB? IMO - saying yes is ignorant.

I have no problem with King critcizing us for drafting a QB. I have stated in other posts that was wishing for Henne, somehow. But, in no means should the Bears draft be panned for NOT drafting a QB. Past Henne and Brohm, who could have helped us in the 3rd? IMO - it's bullshit, because the Bears solidly met offensive needs with their 1st 3 picks. Plus, free agency is not done yet.

Pass the kool-aid Wesson!! Seriously, sometimes OL's take years to gell. With 40% changeover and Tait moving back to right may be a stumbling block. My hope is that Miller was so bad and Brown was so hurt it won't matter. The key is Williams. If he is a player, it works. If not, we'll be drafting early next year. I'm on the half full side. Totally agreed on the D, especially if M. Brown can contribute.

Thank you! The title was quite enough. I'm looking for a possible starting OG, backup OT and 3rd QB. Possibly a WR, if they are high enough caliber.

Here's my thoughts for what they are worth. We fixed every aspect on the team via the draft, except QB. So, my thinking is that JA and Co think that we are still in the window of opportunity. They saw Tom Brady look like anything but Tom Brady in the Super Bowl. Why? Because Tom Brady was on his back. Similarities exist with any QB we threw out there last year. What I'm saying is, any QB looks normal if his support is not there. They drafted an LT that essentially strengthens 2 OL spots. They draft the best blocking RB in the entire draft, thus protecting the QB more. The added bonus is that Forte is rated as a complete 3 down package and we don't know what's going on with Benson. They drafted WR in the 3rd because we lost Moose and Berrian. Berrian really hurt, but I agree with not paying him that much to be a pussy and not fight for the ball. So, they addressed every support function to Rex/Kyle and are hoping they inprove. Then the experiment will finally be over if it fails, thus the one and two year deals respectively. Screw Peter King, he's really said some jackass things the last couple of years.

Absolutely. Rex and Kyle are young and injury free at this point. Benson is rehabbing from a career threatening injury. We don't know if he's lost his ability or not. Plus, added motivation will bring out whether Benson wants to be a football player or not. This should remove any sense of entitlement he feels he has. If he's a pissy bitch about it - done. That question is beside the point , but I'll answer it anyway. The answer is no, but JA and Lovie decided that fixing other areas will improve our QB play. I am doubtful, but understand the the franchise QB will be addressed next year if the plan flops. At that point we are another year behind. You had me until you said AP and stud in the same sentence. Agreed, and that was my stated wish all along. Agreed also, we just don't know. Maybe a deal was close and we got screwed. Anyway, Other than the top 4 QB's, I just don't see a franchise guy out there. Weak year for QB's - IMO.

I think the 1st 5 picks will contribute early and often. Ranking them in the order they were picked.

I thought it was rather "blunt" myself. I think they are saying it is more valuable to (one:) provide insurance if Benson's rehab is not good, (two:) provide REAL competition for Benson in camp. IE: AP and Wolfe have no ability to do that. I'd rather have Forte than Brohm or Henne. And I really wanted them to make a play for Henne by trading up for an extra 2nd rounder.

I loved the Williams and Forte picks.(I had them both on my day 1 wish list) My only prayer on day one was that JA would package a couple of picks to get another 2nd rounder and pick Chad Henne. I just think he is a guy that would take over NEXT year and be our QB for the next 12-15 years. I looks again that JA is drafting red-shirt candadates with promise. My only true critique is that we didn't use one of the 3rd's or a 4th on an OG. Overall, I like the draft. B+. If JA picks a quality cap cut at OL, this draft will be an A-.

Gotta go with Schuening and Manningham in the 3rd. Josh Johnson in the 4th. After that I want some guys that can play special teams and Jacob Hester for fullback. I really had my fingers crossed that Henne wouls have made it out of the 2nd. I absolutely LOVED the 1st two picks though.

They do. Only after they go through the learning curve. I don't care for us being a farm system for inexperienced coaches.

Something you wrote triggered some thoughts. It boggles my mind to watch us not develop recievers on this team. I think we simply have poor position coaches. Paying out money to the salary cap is one thing, paying good coaches is another. It leads me to believe the McCaskeys still have a silent hand in money matters, as we still have a low paid staff, aside from Lovie. It would be bad PR if we were 15mil under the cap as the season starts. If you underpay unproven position coaches you get to throw a few more manhole covers into the family coffers and no-one notices.

Sounds about right. I would probably demand a 1st and two 3rds for Harris. Agreed on peak value. What I'm afraid of here, is that everyone else knows that too. But you know some teams would be drooling toinstantly lead the league in field position. All in all, you can't do this. The future would possibly be bright, but you destroy the now. Could you imagine the nightmare of re-signing this draft class 4-5 years down the road. My God!, this board would be smokin!!

I was going to answer my own question, but you did it for me. Agreed on all accounts. No Ocho Stinko!

With measurables like that and a high football IQ, you would think he won't make it past the 1st round. I also read NFL.com's analysis and it said similar things about him. Then you think he's to good to be true. Then you read that he doesn't change direction well, doesn't time his leaps well, has great clock speed, but not football speed. It's really strange that people have tremendous given talent, but between the ears is killing them. I want the football player. Of the two, I'd take the Zbikowski. He seems like a gamer.

Love the 1st pick, would like Henne, Forte and Rachal with the next three. Overall, I woul not be displeased with Kipers mock. Just would like a higher choice at OG.

Would you trade Hester for both of Dallas #1's? Would you trade Hester for Chad Johnson? Is it blasphemy to talk of dealing Hester?

This is a mind racking question that is impossible to nail. It's kinda like the "Do we draft for need or best availible talent question." IMO - solid is great, which would be the high floor. And high talent is great, which is your ceiling. What I think our team lacks is old fashioned football players. Some people call them gamers. They just show up and find a way to get the job done. Is a healthy Mike Brown a high floor or high ceiling guy? Or is he just a gamer? I want guys that have the talent to play the game, but most of all, I want instinct and passion. Most people say Mike Brown is slow, so he would be a high floor guy in some eyes. But, isn't his impact to the team high ceiling? Slow Mike Brown beats fast Daniel Manning to the spot every time!! The above is why I am not a fan of Lovie. He is a fan of football players in shorts. Who has more talent Rex or Kyle? This is why I like Orton over Rex. Orton is a gamer, Rex is a practice fluff girl, jacking you off before the game starts. I want football players.

I agree with YOUR opinion regarding the rookies and their potential involvement. However, our staff’s track record does not reflect an inclination to do so. Also, would love to see Jacob Hester on the roster. With the amount of late picks we have, there is no reason why he should not chosen with one of our 5th’s. I think Babich was as lost as the people he reported to. No doubt he improves this year - IMO.

This is a building year. I'm not sure if we can quite call it a "re-build" based on what our moves have been. Our moves have indicated, we are happy with where we are are on defense and content with what we have left on special teams. In a re-build year, we may have seen a sign and trade with Alex Brown. We would have seen Arch and M. Brown cut. We would not have seen Rex and Kyle BOTH back. (just one) Therefore, this is what I see happening on draft day. I see us drafting players that are able to provide depth, with the potential to become solid long term contributors. Say we draft OT, QB, RB and OG with our 1st four picks. I would say only the 1st round OT has a chance to start, with the RB getting PT as the year goes on. All = building. The short term benefits of this off-season will be minimal. Get ready for a long season of hoping the Defense and Hester can provide enough magic for us to be competitive. IMO - until we get the OL fixed and find a franchise QB, we will not contend for anything. Our defense can only have a strong identity/ as long as our offense can control the clock. (which it can not or will not) Prediction with no major Defensive injuries: 9-7 wildcard. Full season of Mike Brown 10-6 Prediction with major Defensive injuries: 6-10 #8 pick in the draft.