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It is not a simple matter of disagreement, and you know it. Those stats are overly simplified nuggets extracted from minor, simple details in a very complex game involving many moving parts and strategies. I could provide ten reasons that legitimately question each of those stats, and you could come up with ten more. Hate Cutler all you want.
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You must not work in the data world. Just because a stat is compiled and true doesn't mean the desired or proposed conclusion is accurate. Correlation and causation are not necessarily linked. We do agree, however, with one thing. If the QB continually makes mistakes, something must be done. I believe that is accomplished by either: A ) Getting a new QB - Not feasible B ) Ensure Cutler sticks to the offense, something that aided in McCown looking so good - Unlikely given Cutler's past C ) Making the OL good enough for Cutler to be comfortable and find open WRs - Best, most feasible answer, which has the added benefit of improving the running game as well Hence, it makes sense to go after Mathis.
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The answer to your question is that PFF stats are borderline worthless pieces or nuggets of data that do not tell even remotely close to a complete picture. But the biggest piece of this puzzle that simply can't be quantified is, how does the QB who constantly gets pressured react when there is no pressure, but he thinks there is, or will be? Cutler has been beaten and battered here, and it's pretty obvious over the past two or three years that he feels like there is going to be pressure on damn near every play. Is that a flaw? Sure. But you don't fix that flaw by doing anything other than protecting him, which, coincidentally, would improve if Evan Mathis were signed to play OG next to Kyle Long.
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That's freaking comical. Looks at the article...yep...PFF "stats".
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I guess it depends on whether this team thinks they can win, or if they think they can contend. If it's the former, then, sure, let some scrubs battle it out and try to develop some homegrown talent. But if it's the latter, then I don't care about player development at the sacrifice of the team, and also Cutler. The team, and Cutler, have sacrificed for far too long because of sub-par to atrocious OLs. If it means investing more money on the OL to protect the guy who is the focal point of the team, regardless of who that is, then you should do it. It's baffling to me how long this must go on for people to realize the OL is the one spot besides QB you don't want to have major issues. And if you have major issues at QB (hopefully it's a rookie and not just a scrub like Moses Moreno), then you sure as hell should have a dominant OL to protect. The Bears have had good offensive production only one year of the past several, and it's the one year where the OL played well. I don't care how many 1st round WRs the Bears get. If the QB is under pressure, it won't matter. Long story short...yes...bring Mathis in for a look. If it was all contract related like some of the reports are saying, then putting him at RG and Long at RT would create a monster OL for the Bears, and would virtually guarantee a top 10 offense this year.
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This proposal is why I'm not elated with the defensive prospects yet. Houston? Young? Allen? Bostic? That's a lot of talent sitting in the back seat.
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This thread is the reason why I didn't like the draft pick. Another RB isn't really necessary. It basically throws Carey into the back-burner. That's too bad for a guy who hasn't received a chance to show what he can do on the field.
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Bears Uniforms....is it time for a more modern look?
jason replied to ParkerBear7's topic in Bearstalk
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Very weak competition he got those stats against. Pass.
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An undersized back who was nasty elusive, but was used in the worst possible ways while on the team. As for the "2" backs, Benson was already smelling like a bust or head-case, and you're not actually counting Adrian Peterson, are you? They needed someone who could be a little more elusive out of the backfield when they got rid of Thomas Jones. Regarding Hester, the prevailing thought at the time was that it was better to kick out of bounds than kick to Hester. Or short kick it. Many thought Wolfe would be an up-back on free kicks, perfect for when the teams tried to avoid Hester. Also, keep in mind that this was the year they planned on the beginning of the Hester as WR transition. The Bears needed a dynamic playmaker on offense, and they may have drafted one, but we'll never know because the mental midgets running the offense at the time.
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As do I, but I doubt it's the exact same as the new balls they get for each game. Break out the football one day, inflate it, deflate it, go between a range of 1 PSI. If you can honestly tell the difference each time, then you should apply for the job in the NFL. I bet if we introduced another football with similar but different PSI you'd have trouble telling them apart. Nope. We often feel under and over inflated balls as officials. Had an arena game this weekend and there were a few that were over-inflated by about .5, and nobody could tell the difference when we grabbed the footballs. One was very underinflated and we threw it back. It's got to be a lot to really notice.
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This is the one that hurts the most for me. Raymont Harris (Ultraback!) was coming off of 1000+ yards in 13 games with 10 TDs and nearly 4ypc. The Bears had just drafted Rashaan Salaam 3 years prior, and in his rookie year he was over 1000 yards, but injuries hampered him after. Between the two the Bears were fine. Then they went and signed Edgar Bennett, even more reason not to draft Curtis Enis. And let's just throw a few logs on the fire. That was the year the Bears got James Allen, that little over-achieving spark plug who later went on to his own 1000+ yard season. Meanwhile the Bears were starting John Thierry and Carl Reeves at DE. Figuring out the better one is like picking up the clean end of a turd. Oh, and right after the Bears picked, Grant Wistrom and Greg Ellis went off the board. I was partial to Ellis, but would have been happy with either. Meanwhile part 2, some nobody named Ron Cox - not to be confused with Bryan Cox - was starting at OLB. Who was on the board? Keith Brooking and Takeo Spikes. I loved Spikes coming out of Auburn. To put the final nail in the coffin, Randy Effing Moss was in that draft, and I would have given my first born if the Bears had drafted him. I was a HUGE fan. I have never wanted a player more than Randy Moss. But of course the upper management knew better since they trotted out the studly combo of Bobby Engram and Ricky Proehl. Worst draft pick you ask? Curtis Enis. Curtis freaking Enis.
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I still say Wolfe was a good pick. He was just used horribly, unprofessionally, in the worst way possible, by a simpleton who almost certainly sniffed a lot of glue as a kid andshould never have seen an NFL field.
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The why I can't answer. Psychological is all I can guess. But that is a "difference" that I just don't believe one can be punished for. Especially when it was found that the Colts had balls with inflation issues.
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But the thing is, I have felt thousands of footballs. I know. It is difficult to believe anyone not involved on a regular basis with footballs TODAY really knows. What you probably remember from HS is not the same. I know it doesn't feel different when its close to the range. Drastically under? Sure. And that is where the HS balls and their "kicking ball" BS comes into play. But when it is close nobody can tell. It is guess work at best.
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Psychological? Really? Getting some tail in the morning could provide psychological advantage. A mentor, positive mental imagery, lucky rabbit's foot...all essentially psychological advantage. Why risk it? Beats me, because the ball is the same.
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Brady 4 games, next yr's 1st, $1M fine, & 2017's 4th
jason replied to madlithuanian's topic in Bearstalk
Dude. Did Tom Brady and the Pats locker room bang your girl? What you propose is insane for some imperceptibly deflated balls that didn't provide any substantial benefit. Lifetime? That's complete nonsense, and you have something else on this issue. -
Great post. Was it cheating? Sure, if Brady actually knew. Did it provide an advantage? No.
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Basketballs are waaaaay different, specifically because they bounce. And it wasn't just me, it was a group of guys ranging from the SEC to DII, four of five who played NCAA football. The MTV video speaks VOLUMES. They took out more and people could barely notice. With less, it's virtually imperceptible.
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It's kind of a double-edged sword. Traditional is probably not the right word, because there has been cheating in sports since the first two cavemen raced. More appropriate is something like "strict interpretationist". In that regard, sure, the cheating goes against everything you hold close (even though there has been cheating since the first game of the NFL). But on the other hand, that same old-fashioned values, no nonsense line of reason aligns with the comments against your point. Old timers who played the game feel disrespected about cheating, but there is no way they blame the ball for a loss. A good craftsman never blames his tools, and to get up in arms about just the deflategate issue contradicts the "traditionalist" view of things just as much as it supports that view-point.
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Most calls are judgement calls. Quite the contrary. The rules are very specific, verbose even, and the officials have whittled it down even further in their own mechanics and guidelines. Trust me - the guys who are "wrong" are graded as such, and they don't stick around a long time if they continue to be wrong. I can't convince you. I'm telling you it's almost imperceptible. And it's funny because I had an Arena game recently where the visiting coach complained about the PSI level of the balls. He thought they were over-inflated. I told him I'd look into it while thinking of rolling my eyes. Guess what? The balls almost all fell within the appropriate range, some a tiny bit more, some a tiny bit less. If I had juggled them and then tossed one back, you couldn't have told the difference. That room full of officials with roughly 50 years experience combined couldn't tell, and multiple are in major college BCS officiating. This I can't speak to, but it doesn't sound right. I don't know the weights/measurements of all that. What I do know is the gauge we use is similar to one you use on a bicycle tire or something like that. You can't tell unless it's probably 2+PSI difference. I don't really know. I'd have to do more research into the specifics of an NFL football. I could copy/paste that section out of the NCAA rulebook though.
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Maybe as a piece of a larger issue, I'm fine with the deflategate being thrown in. It's jaywalking on a murderer's rap sheet. Otherwise, however, it's not really substantial enough for all the fuss it's raised.