jason

Agreed. The idea of cutting Carimi after one year of play is just ridiculous. You just don't dump first rounders like that. There is a reason he was a first rounder. Let his talents develop and blossom for the Bears instead of elsewhere. On top of the injury he probably also had a little difficulty adjusting to the move to the right side, since he played on the left side since he was 12 or 13.

The idea is ridiculous.

I wouldn't mind that draft. Not bad. That sets up the OL with multiple possibilities and gets an eventual MLB replacement who many think is a first round talent.

Bushrod - rookie/FA - Garza - Louis - Carimi or Bushrod - rookie/FA - rookie/FA - Garza - Carimi That's how it should play out. With any luck the Bears can move down in the first, still get Warmack, then pick up Barrett Jones in the 3rd. Bushrod - Warmack - Jones - Garza/Louis - Carimi (that looks really good to me)

I'm just amazed at how quickly so many of you want to disregard the face of the franchise, the leader of the defense, the most important Bears player in the last decade, when the difference between his happiness being a Bear and potentially going elsewhere is probably no more than one million (he asks for 5, team offers 3, meet in the middle). Add to that is the fact that he wasn't horrible last year; he just had a down year with an injury to boot. There's absolutely no reason why - especially considering how hard he's going at it in offseason workouts - he won't come back stronger than last year, and put up 2010 or 2011 stats. It's even more insulting when he's judged on this pedestal, yet scrubs like the guys on the OL are viewed under some other microscope, as if their lack of ability is easier to overlook. Even in Urlacher's worst year, his production exceeds what everyone on the OL did last year. If Urlacher's tackle misses were as frequent as any of the OL's screwups there would be a highlight video of it made by some douchey packer fan. And then talking about money I see things like 2 million per year. Are you kidding me!? That's just straight up disgraceful. Without trying too hard, you guys want to pay him less than a RB that wasn't good, a OG/C who was rated the worst in the league, and a kicker!? GTFO of here. Bush - 4yrs/14m Garza - 3yrs/8.65m Gould - 6yrs/15.5m This is the first time in the history of posting on this board that I've been actually disappointed in fellow Bears fans. I don't have a problem with disagreements, but this is just plain disappointing.

They have more info, no doubt, but that still doesn't stop them from making countless bonehead moves. The draft has been figured as a 50% bet by Bill Polian, one of the best drafters ever. We could do virtually the same. I'm just sick of the attitude that these guys are infallible because they are in the NFL. It's just not true. We've seen how inaccurate this is over and over and over with the Bears over the past nearly thirty years.

Agreed wholeheartedly.

The thought sickens me.

It's not about the consistency. It's about the level of consistency and abilities. Nobody is consistent all the time, but some are more consistent than others. I'm sure both Webb and Bushrod expect to succeed every play, every game. So trying to glean some PFF comparison because Bushrod says he's inconsistent is just as incomplete as the PFF stats. Maybe Bushrod is just thinking of one play each game? Maybe it's one series each game? Maybe he'd like those to be more consistent.

Yep. Jamarcus Webb vibe.

I get it, but Chicago is not New England. And until Chicago starts to embrace the concept of offense, I just don't see how this dream scenario comes to fruition. I hope it does. And I hope Bennett/ERod turns into Gronk/Hernandez. I've just been a Chicago fan too long to believe it's going to happen.

Regardless of whether it's Brown or Ogletree, neither of them make me jump off the couch like when Urlacher came out. I'd be disappointed if either were drafted at 20. If OG is also picked up in FA, and our LBs are resigned, I think you have to go for the other OG spot. You can't take a chance on Louis being healthy and good since he was only decent when he was healthy. If the OGs are gone, you have to go BPA.

I guess it comes down to the highs and the lows. It's like weather. Sure, Tennessee (i.e. Bushrod) gets hot and cold, but the heat is really good while bearable, and the winters barely provide snow. Meanwhile, Iowa (i.e. Webb) has hot and cold, but the hot only happens a month or so a year, and the cold days are unbearable. Inconsistency still requires a floor and a ceiling, and both are higher for Bushrod.

I read it, but it's entirely based on PFF's stats, which I believe to be flawed. No way in hell Bushrod is comparable to Webb. Not to mention what Brian reiterated above.

Same?! SAME?! C'mon man, gimme a break. You've been making the argument based off of the PFF stats. It's not a surprise that PFF says the same thing. But to insinuate the players are the same is just ridiculous. Webb has never even garnered a sniff for an all-star vote. Webb is not as good as Bushrod, no matter what PFF says. If Webb were a free agent teams would be able to sign him for league minimum and a box of Samoa Girl Scout cookies. There is no real comparison other than they both played the same position. It's just nonsense. If it were true, then what do you make of the fact the Bears signed him? Doesn't that fly in the face of Emery's supposed love of PFF? I mean, why sign a guy that sucked like Webb? Sorry, bro, it just doesn't make sense, and it calls into question the methodology used by PFF when compiling their stats.

A 7th round draft pick is a bargaining chip I'd gladly toss away to get a first round talent. If he screws his head on straight, he could be an incredible steal. If not, it's still only a 7th rounder.

I started this thread with the thought of whether a trade would be better. Giving up a 7th for him is relatively risk-free. And if you wait for him to hit FA then you might not get him because a team might outbid you. As long as there are no salary cap issues, a 7th rounder for him would be a great idea.

Bingo! Lovie being gone will make this team better. Same goes for Tice. As for the list above, don't forget to include players signed as well. Some of those teams (i.e. Browns) also picked players up.

The to do list seems simple right now: -If they think the winner between Webb & Carimi at RT is sufficient: Do not hesitate to draft Cooper if he's there at 20. -If they are seriously considering moving Carimi to OG: Draft Fluker if he's there at 20.

I heard a rumor the other day from a reliable source that the Raiders would be willing to part with Rolando McClain for a very insignificant amount in trade. Possibly a 6th or 7th round draft pick. And that's IF he doesn't get released. Young, crazy talented, maybe a bit stupid, definitely a bit of a trouble maker, but a possibly cheap solution for the MLB situation in Chicago. For all capologists: What would he count against the cap if he were traded to the Bears?

Or it means PFF's stats are flawed as hell, and they can collectively kiss me square on the butthole. Sidestep...pssh. That's ridiculous. If it was a sidestep, there would have at least been hints of Jamarcus Webb being considered decent to good, or maybe even a single guy, other than scs, saying something about Webb getting Pro Bowl buzz. The more likely reality: Bushrod is better because of having Brees as a QB, but even without Brees as a QB he's significantly better than Webb.

LOL. "In the fouth round, the Bears select, Super Fast Pot Head, cornerback, LSU."

Stone Hands was already taken by Dez White. Let's call him Kellen "Brick Hands" Davis. Either way...HE GONE!

The act makes me like him more. The video makes me like him less. The other videos of him you can see on youtube give me a Jamarcus Webb vibe.

I hate these comments. You're right: It doesn't matter what we think because our opinions hold no sway with the team. But the "they are in a better position to judge"-comment is nonsense. If it were accurate, the coaches wouldn't get fired as regularly as they do, teams wouldn't such as regularly as they do, and it would be legal for an offensive coordinator position to file a restraining order against Mike Tice. Just because these dudes are where they are doesn't mean our opinions and thoughts aren't just as valid, if not better. I still say if this board were collectively running the Bears over the past ten years we would have been significantly better.