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Exactly how I feel about this.
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So one link says that you give the dude some coaching and he's a career pro at either spot, and the other says Carimi should have been drafted in the 3rd. Great consistency. I don't debate that many were saying he should be a RT. It was definitely said. I debate the logic of moving a guy who has played nothing but LT his entire career over to the right side. It's akin to making a right-handed boxer start fighting left-handed. Sure, it's still crosses, hooks, jabs, and uppercuts, but the hands doing the punches are doing things a bit differently.
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Oh, and just for fun, check out the bottom of this link: http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1061841...-tackles/page/6 Interesting what they say about Webb: "Webb, two seasons into his NFL career, is a limited left tackle who doesn't have the agility to play in space. Would be better off on the right side in a power run scheme." Now, Bleacher Report is far from the final say on anything related to football, but it's not all that ridiculous of an idea to put a guy who is best suited as a RT at RT, and put a guy who has played virtually nothing but LT at LT.
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I'm obviously in agreement with one Albert over two Meltons. As for the +31 stuff, and the stupid comment from scs, it matters not. When someone is obviously leaps and bounds better than the majority of their peers, they don't need a rating to justify their standing.
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LOL! This is not really surprising since pretty much everyone will agree that Webb is a borderline idiot who has some maturity issues.
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I didn't say I was never wrong. But it's difficult to prove wrong what never happens either way. And why should it end with me? Am I obligated to let you have the last word? Your opinion is that he's saying Webb>Carimi, but I just happen to think that's a vast stretch of the imagination when comparing positions. I wonder if he'd change his opinion after Webb's recent arrest?
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1. The Webb played better than Williams thing was definitely debated, and it was far from clear. Tice screwed Williams from day-one, and helped his boy Webb out from the beginning. 2. Carimi was handed the starting RT job because that's usually what happens with 1st rounders. You don't typically draft guys in the first round to sit the bench. His pedigree and collegiate resume were enough to give him some leeway that it would be probable he'd figure things out once on the field.
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It is getting real old, but that's what this message board is for. And when you bring other things into the debate, they should be discussed. When you insinuate that a shit writer for the Bears says that Webb is better than Carimi, and it's not really near what he said considering a thousand other factors, it should be addressed. But you're right about the Tice-Webb connection. That can no longer be a reason used for why Webb was handed the job. It could still be used, however, when addressing how the Bears could have potentially turned a franchise QB into a less-than-franchise QB by making him terrified of life threatening injury every time he drops back into the pocket.
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I just phrased it that way because it was shoving the square peg into the round hole, and it reminded me a lot of how the whole fiasco with Chris Williams took place.
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Obviously not. But I don't believe he, or many others, are thinking outside the box in an attempt to fix the OL problems. I think it's especially true for most sports reporters who cover Chicago sports. The only guy who was hard-hitting was hated by many (Mariotti). They're all sycophants hoping to get their sideline passes, rub shoulders with players, and use it as a potential stepping stone to Sportscenter or whatever their dream job is.
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Maybe because of the competition each has at their prospective positions? Maybe because they dicked Carimi around last year and tried to turn him into an OG (something he's never played)? I just don't think he was comparing the two players against one another. His comment may be an indication of how their respective status is at their assigned position, but it wasn't an either/or comparison.
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But his supporting cast, his teammates, will also be NFL players. That's the difference.
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Yeah, but to be fair, Alabama has become an NFL-factory over the course of the past few years. Their OL last year is probably the best OL in collegiate history. Think about that for a moment. Best in history. Two 2013 1st rounders (Warmack, Fluker), One borderline 2013 1st rounder with incredible flexibility (Jones), and Two 2014 1st rounders (Kouandijo, Steen). Add that to the fact that their RB (Lacy-1st/2nd), QB (McCarron), four WRs (Bell, Norwood, Cooper, Jones), and TE (Williams-4th/5th) will all be drafted, some fairly highly. Te'o did pretty well against the collegiate teams he played against. Against entire NFL offenses? Well, you saw the championship game.
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No. He insinuated Webb would be more likely to keep the job. That has nothing to do with whether one player is better than the other. There are a variety of things that could be embedded in that comment, the least of which are: salary, injury history, favor amongst the organization, coachability, fit with a new system, popularity in the clubhouse, etc.
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Did Te'o's horrible 40 time just make this possible? Not that I necessarily want it, but if the Bears could trade down and get a third rounder? The delta on a trade-down from 20 to the late 20's yields a third rounder in terms of the draft value chart. I wouldn't be completely upset with a draft if it went Eifert, Te'o, Kyle Long, Braxston Cave.
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Agreed wholeheartedly. The LBs with skills this year all have flaws, whether they be personal or on the field.
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You're right on the first and the second part. I'm a shade under 40, and just out of high school I was in the very low 4.5s. I'm still very fast. I officiate football and regularly keep up with D1 athletes. There are a few SEC skill players (the ones I was privileged enough to officiate) who did not outrun me to the goal-line on breakout touchdowns. I would smoke Te'o in a race. And that is not good for his draft prospects.
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I ran a half marathon Saturday, so I'm pretty confident in my statement.
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The points about Webb and Carimi are completely different. I don't see how you are equating the two. You're saying Webb needs a stud LG next to him, and I'm saying Carimi should get a shot at LT since that's the position he played in college. I don't disagree with the thought that a stud LG would also make Carimi better, which is kind of another reason Carimi is a better selection at LT. It wasn't like he was supported by an all-pro RG when he was being tossed to the wolves at RT. You admit your 13 out of 16 reference is nearly pointless because you bring up the problem with just sacks. But if you're talking about JUST sacks, then, sure, Webb had 13 good games and 3 bad ones. But that's like saying if you only look at the games where the Bears won, then Lovie and Tice had 10 good games and 6 bad ones. It's far too simplistic. As for Jeff Dickerson, I was watching that chat too. He's a schmuck who never answers the tough questions, and his "analysis" on the tackle situation is just as incomplete as using sacks for OT performance. Next chat send him the following question: "Is Webb better than Carimi?" He won't answer it. And he didn't answer it in today's chat.
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I'm fairly certain I could run a 4.81 right now, in work clothes, without any preparation. Running that slowly shows an alarming lack of awareness and preparation right before the draft.
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I smile because I know Lovie is no longer in charge of the team. He'd have out a tube of Jergens preparing for the DL combine drills. Hell, he's unemployed and still probably trying to sneak in a back door or peak through a crack in a window to watch DL drills.
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I agree completely. Whenever I see or think of Spaeth, I picture a defense that is allowed to creep that much closer to the offense. And when I think of the philosophy of which you speak (i.e. if the TE goes out, he occupies a defender one way or the other), I picture the brilliant quick pass Cutler made to Olsen against the Cowboys when he shot through the middle for something like a 50+yd TD. All of the above is why I think the starting TE we need is already on the roster.
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Dude. Stop. Put down the keyboard. Adding an stud LG next to any LT makes the LT better. Period. It's a moot point. It's stupid. I would absolutely suck at LT in the NFL for a variety of reasons, but put someone like Carl Nicks next to me and it might look like I had a few good plays. It's a stupid argument. My pfffft comment was in regard to your love of PFF and the fart sound their acronym so closely resembles. Just because Webb got destroyed in 3 games doesn't mean the others were good. This is not some sort of this or that comparison. There is a broad range of production between "absolutely horrendous, how did this dude get into the NFL" to "good."
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If these dudes are in the NFL, the concept of protection packages shouldn't have been new to them. Period. The fact Tice didn't install them only shows how stupid Tice was/is.
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Perhaps, but I also believe the notion that LT and RT are largely becoming indistinguishable in the NFL because of the exotic rush/blitz defenses being run. The only major issue is blindside. Sure, the LT protects the blindside, but when I really think about it I see the following... If Carimi's familiarity with LT improves his pass blocking even a smidgen (you'd have to figure it would), and his injury even hindered him the smallest amount (you'd have to figure it did), then when he gets a full offseason to dedicate towards LT he will be as good or better than Webb at pass blocking, with a much higher ceiling, a much better pedigree, and infinitely better run-blocking ability. It's a gamble, for sure, but the dice have been rolled on Webb for three years running; it's time for a new shooter. Add that to the fact it potentially solves a glaring hole, and fits so well otherwise... -Best FA OG? Probably Levitre. Guess which side? LG. Right near Carimi. -Most likely draft scenario? All three top LTs are gone, but the best RT (Fluker) is probably there. -Best OL talent pool in the draft? OG is absolutely loaded through the top 6 prospects. One could easily be had in the second...or fourth if the reports on Barrett Jones are to be believed. -Coaches most likely target for OL considering their history/philosophy? OG. Add all that to this final thought...if a freaking 7th rounder can be moved from one bookend to the other, and basically given the job because he supposedly has the ability/body/whatever for the position, and that same player was originally slotted by the coaches for the other side, then why the hell can't a first rounder with much more talent make the same type of move?