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15 hours ago, ChileBear said:
More competition at a position we are critically weak on. I want them to bring in as many as possible and get one that can nail the game when we need it.
Agree. With that many, there will be pressure. They all know the Bears won’t pickup more than one. Whoever handles the pressure the best is likely to do the best, and better suited for gameday.
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17 hours ago, adam said:
Trading up doesn't mean you lose the trade. If you go off draft trade value alone, we won the trade straight up:
The Bears gave up #87 (155pts), #162 (26.2pts) and a 4th in 2020 (42pts), which equals 223.
The Pats gave up #73 (225pts), #205 (9pts), which equals 234. .
You’re right about the trade value, but trade volume is important as well. The Bears lost a pick. They already had limited picks. Since none of the picks are guaranteed, especially the later the round, it makes sense to have as many bullets in the gun as possible.
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20 hours ago, BearFan NYC said:
Grizz, there is a huge difference between you and Jason. We can agree disagree whatever. People can be positive, negative whatever.
Jason is an arrogant know it all that is totally myopic in his view and completely closed minded. You and others on this board with whom I agree and disagree are nothing like that.
I love this page, and all the discussion, agree or not. but i sure do know a blowhard when I hear one.And you’re a dipshit crybaby who runs to moderators when things don’t go your way. I could tell you the sun is hot and you’d find issue because 10 years ago I removed an obviously political post that was against the rules. (Ironic: I agreed with the politics of it.)
The facts are that Howard didn’t fit perfectly, but he was a very good RB. The front office created a hole where there previously wasn’t one. Which forced their own hands into drafting a RB, one that Pace obviously loved so much he basically promised Montgomery it was going to happen beforehand.
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7 minutes ago, AZ54 said:
We were all worried about you after this pick. It's at least good to know you've been released from the ICU and are back home.
I’m barely over an hour from Nashville and didn’t even want to go or watch. I watched Avengers Endgame instead. He’s a shifty player and he will make some great runs, but it won’t be enough to make up for how it all went down.
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3 hours ago, Stinger226 said:
I hope Jason doesnt do something stupid after this pick. I would miss his arrogance.
I hate it. It’s a bad move. And I don’t care what anyone says. The Bears had a similar RB, who was proven, but dumped him for pennies on the dollar. And probably because the management already knew who they wanted. So they purposely made a hole where there wasn’t one, and then filled it...maybe. That’s like having a sturdy wooden boat and punching a hole in it, watching water pour in, all just because you wanted to prove the patch kit you liked could do a better job.
AND they had to trade up to get him. This front office becomes enamored with specific players and gets nervous, which causes the trading up. It occurs far too much.
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9 hours ago, Stinger226 said:
The comparisons don’t work. Goldman is a different position with different responsibility, and RRH is also subpar.
Why I feel comfortable saying this is the fact that neither RRH nor Nichols ever really stepped up and/or surprised last year. At best they were the DE equivalent of QB game managers.
As you say they are very average, you really think your going to get a difference maker in the 3rd round. I doubt that a middle round 5T is going to come in and beat out 2 developmental
players already on the roster. you will see a step up in production as Nichols gains more strength and experience.
I’m saying we know what those dudes are. It’s a weak spot. If a 3-4DE is there with good value, it should be getting more focus than positions like OLB and TE, where starters are much better.
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On 4/23/2019 at 8:41 AM, adam said:
Where do you get that Nichols is below average? I agree that we have a need across from Hicks, but Nichols seems like a solid rotational player to fill in for Goldman and Hicks, and get some occasional reps in across from Hicks.
In less snaps than Goldman and RRH, Nichols had comparable, if not, better raw numbers.
Goldman - 552 snaps, 3 sacks, 5 TFL
RRH - 353 snaps, 3 sacks, 3 TFL
Nichols - 328 snaps, 3 sacks, 5 TFL, 2 FFBThe comparisons don’t work. Goldman is a different position with different responsibility, and RRH is also subpar.
Why I feel comfortable saying this is the fact that neither RRH nor Nichols ever really stepped up and/or surprised last year. At best they were the DE equivalent of QB game managers.
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Just say no to miles sanders. First, he will cost too much. Second, he’s from Penn State. That lesson has been learned already.
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If Nichols is inked in as the starter, that’s a problem. He is definitely below average.
Meanwhile, everyone seems to think OLB is a high priority, despite having the best one in maybe the entire NFL, and a first rounder with massive potential on the other side.
That just doesn’t make much sense. Put someone better in Nichols’s spot, and everyone benefits.
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The question is valid. Opposite of Hicks is a void with minimal production and average promise. I think 3-4DE is more of a need than OLB.
Nobody even really knows who the starter is there for 2019.
I’d love to see Jerry Tillery slip because of off-field concerns. He could be great in the role.
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6 hours ago, Stinger226 said:
RB distribution;
Davis - 175
Rookie-100
Cohen -75
Patterson-40
Nall-50
Trubisky-40
Last year we had 467 rushing plays. I think we have a uptick in rushing (480) with the offense being more efficient.
Why in the world would any coach give Cohen LESS carries than he had last year?
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21 hours ago, AZ54 said:
I absolutely think this is the case in Rd 3. It's really the only way to get an impact player out of this draft except we pick so late in Rd 3 it's going to be tough to find that gem. It will not surprise me at all to see Pace trade up higher into Rd 3, maybe 5 to 10 spots, to grab someone who is falling. He'd then trade back later in the draft to recoup his pick.
This is a rare year because we don't have to extensively evaluate the top end prospects. There will be scouting reports on them of course because you always want that for FA decisions down the road. That means more time can be spent on players outside the top 100 even all the way down to UDFAs. I expect Pace had his organization put in more time than usual on small school prospects. When you start thinking about the 3rd Rd what do they think of WR Andy Isabella? His long speed is legit and he runs routes all over the field.
Given the propensity to reach on small school projects, that should scare everyone a good bit.
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Fair enough, guys. I’m just not of the belief that the front office would get rid of a very good player if they didn’t feel like they had a guaranteed plan to replace him already established.
That leaves the RBs on roster, or something much scarier: a rookie they love already and will unnecessarily reach to get in a draft with minimal picks.
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2 hours ago, AZ54 said:
I don't see Cohen picking up 25% more carries without it affecting him. Plus he's still indecisive as a RB and makes bad decisions too often instead of taking what's there. He's tough but he's just not that big and gets rag dolled too often. I like what Nagy did keeping him outside the numbers more often than not so he has an option with the sideline to escape the big hits. The upside is his ability to make big plays so you want his versatility back there especially later in the game. I just think if we give him too much work load he'll lose some of that edge and won't be as explosive when the defense is tired late in the games, and really late in the season. We also want to keep him fresh for punt returns. I believe that's why we suffered through the few MIzzell carries per game last year when those carries could have easily gone to Howard.
I think Nall is part of the plan or Pace wouldn't have cut Howard loose pre-draft. It's just not his style to have a glaring need.
You realize 25 more carries would be less than 2 more carries a game, right? That’s so minimal it’s negligible. It’s absurdly minuscule over the course of the season. Of course he could handle 25 more carries in a season.
Will literally less than 2 more carries a game really burn him out? It seems highly improbable to me.
The decisiveness is the only valid point.
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Tarik Cohen got 99 carries last year to Jordan Howard's 250. The split figures to change a bit since Cohen is incumbent and Howard is gone. So let's call it 125/225.
Mike Davis got 112 carries in a 3-way rotation in Seattle last year. There's nearly no doubt at all he can carry more of the load. Additionally, for the coaching staff to dump Howard and pick up Davis, they had to feel pretty comfortable about his fit in the system and his ability to replace Howard for the most part. If there are roughly 225 carries to spread around, then Davis figures to get north of 150 of those carries. I'd guess 175-ish.
Which leaves 50 carries or so. That doesn't sound like a big need. Furthermore, it sounds like a great way to spread the love, depending on game situation, to backups like Nall, or Mizelle, or whoever.
Say no to drafting a RB this year, unless it's a massive upside pick like Bryce Love in the 5th or something like that.
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I don't like the idea of drafting a TE, because I agree that it means we're basically dumping Shaheen...who several on this board thought was a massive reach at best. Why be in a rush when Burton is such a stud? If anything, Burton's presence means the Bears can slow play Shaheen's development, which has been incredibly slow considering his draft position.
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19 hours ago, BearFan NYC said:
we need (in no particular order): RB, OLB, DE, CB, TE, S, K, long snapper, special teams coverage
How do we need a TE? With Burton and Shaheen, all the Bears really need in a 3rd TE is a glorified OT.
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Hell, I didn't even know. It's nice to have a guy in place who actually has a few more hits than misses. For several years we could have randomly thrown darts and done better at the draft than Bears leadership.
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I want to choke Hoge for this mock. Atrocious.
A RB in the 3rd is stupid. I don't see why this is a trend.
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I LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOVE this movie.
- Amos is slightly overrated
- HHCD is underrated.
- HHCD is more of a free-range safety than Amos.
- With the Bears front 7, the need for a thumper isn't as big.
- HHCD + Jackson = Amazing Alabama connection
Such a good move.
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If the Bears keep Howard, they are set. And that's why they shouldn't move him.
If they get rid of him, then obviously they are not set.
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On 2/2/2019 at 1:49 PM, BearFan NYC said:
I dont care that someone used to be a Packer - raiding their larder makes me happy.
I would pass on Matthews because he will want more money than his productivity warrants at this age, and he isnt an ascending player with a window that matches the one we are opening.
That said, if Pace disagrees with me, you should take Pace's opinion over mine.
That's the same thing I'm thinking. And if his fall from grace is a scheme issue (i.e. OLB to ILB), then even better. That's getting a potentially high producing player, stealing from the packers, making them hate one of their beloved for being a traitor, and adding a potential pass rush threat in a 3-4.
To me the consideration all comes down to money.
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This article poses an interesting question:
https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2019/02/01/5-moves-the-chicago-bears-should-make-in-free-agency/4/
Should the Bears go after Clay Matthews? Does anyone really think he's going to sign for a reasonable and minimal contract considering his production the past few years? Would he start over Floyd?
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1 hour ago, ASHKUM BEAR said:
Your Picks:
Round 3 Pick 23: Boyd, Kris, CB, Texas (A+)
Need to groom a replacement for Prince sooner than later. Might be a solid replacement if we lose Callahan.
Round 4 Pick 24: Samuel, Deebo, WR, South Carolina (A+)
Bonus pick, Deebo is a homerun threat anytime he touches the ball. Solid route runner and excellant KR. Replaces White/Bellamy?
Round 5 Pick 24: Wingard, Andrew, SS, Wyoming (A+)
Underrated DB, excels in the box but can man centerfielder. Deadly speed especially playing the run.
Round 7 Pick 8 (Phi): Fritts, Brandon, TE, North Carolina Why not take a shot on a playmaking TE that used to play with Trubisky. Insurance and a threat to Shaheen to elevate his game.
Round 7 Pick 24: Love, Bryce, RB, Stanford (A+)
Got my RB in the 7th. Huge potential if his ACL recovers with no limits. Redshirt him while Nall steps up.
I would be pleased with a draft like this.
I hate drafting a RB, but if it happens, that's the scenario I would accept. 7th round guys should be risks. Huge upside guys for whatever reason, but the potential of being dropped from the league in less than a year.
Having said all that, if there is one position I hate the idea of drafting more than RB, it's TE. Brown, Shaheen, Burton, Braunecker. The Bears simply don't need another one. Burton is the guy. The second guy has to be Shaheen, or it's admitting a wasted draft pick. Besides, behind Burton it just needs to be a guy who either serves as a 3rd tackle or creates a ridiculous mismatch (i.e. Shaheen). Beyond that, the third TE on the roster is a guy you pick up in free agency.
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Looks like he has to learn 7 of 9. He’s got fade and post, but that looks about it.