jason

Awesome analogy. I will steal it.

If I don't know WTF I'm talking about, then WhyTF is he not going pro as a QB?! Riddle me that, genius. Everything I said about his skills as a passer is accurate.

Fine with me. The 2nd TE on the Bears roster is about the furthest thing from a necessity right now. Virtually every position on offense is needed more than a 2nd TE.

And until that skill is at least tapped as a resource, nobody ever knows if the skill is there. It's like being a world class marathoner and always deciding to ride your bike. You just never know until the skill is exploited. If it turns out he's not talented at all - his collegiate highlights and his personal attributes suggest otherwise - then end the experiment. But the point of my post was that he's got virtually the same size as the other guys, and should be playing the same position, but the Bears have not exploited his talents yet.

Thank you. The comparisons to the Bears' OL are just not legit. As I've said a million times, simple stats like hits and sacks don't paint the entire picture. Watch a game and you can plainly see that Rodgers, more often than not, has plenty of time to throw the ball.

1. Better quickness? This is the same guy that needs help with footwork and breaks? Unlikely that he's quicker than Welker. More top end speed? I can buy that. 2. Plus he can throw? hahaha...are you kidding me? Dude has a weak arm, lacks consistency, lacks vision, doesn't anticipate throws, runs too quickly in the pocket when he gets rattled, etc. His stats as a passer in college are nowhere near a guy like Tebow, and Tebow has been getting destroyed as a horrible QB by most for two years. Having said all that, he's also tiny. 6th round maybe. When you draft a guy to be a WR, he should have WR skills. You shouldn't have to start from the ground-floor with him when he enters the NFL.

The sad thing is, I literally believe selection7 could do a better job than Drake. That guy made zero improvement to any of the Bears' WRs the entire time he was in Chicago. If anything, he only made players worse.

I'm sorry, but after watching each game of the playoffs, and several of the other games from the last few weekends, GB most certainly does not have a terrible OL. And if their OL is considered terrible, then the Bears' OL is absolutely criminal. More often than not, Rodgers has plenty of time to throw the ball. And several times a game he is sitting in the pocket unmolested for several seconds. The former happens much more frequently than it does for the Bears, and the latter virtually never happens. I agree that Rodgers has something Cutler doesn't, whatever it is, but I am sick of seeing this false comparison to Green Bay as if their OL is as bad as Chicago's OL. No way.

Seems like you're harboring issues for the dude. His story sure seems to line up. All the facts seem to fall into perfect alignment with his perspective. According to reports, he didn't pause or hesitate when answering questions. He was forthcoming. Add to that the fact that all other players in this saga have either corroborated his story or straight up accepted blame for it, and it almost unequivocally looks like he is not full of it. Naive? Sure. Perhaps a little stupid? Yeah, I can go with that. It's not like that's the first time a football player has been kind of stupid. But the whole "disgusting human being"-angle is pretty much disproven.

Since we're talking about interesting similarities and dissimilarities between the best TEs in the league and the Bears' TEs, I also find this interesting... Vernon Davis - 6'3", 250 Tony Gonzalez - 6'5", 247 Aaron Hernandez - 6'1", 245 Dennis Pitta - 6'4", 240 Evan Rodriguez - 6'2", 239 Close enough for me. Focus elsewhere in the draft. He needs to be the starting TE going into training camp next year. As for the other TE spot (since Davis and Spaeth both suck), find a 7th round or UDFA beast who either played college basketball or bounced between TE/OL and put him in there (depending on offensive philosophy). No reason to use a draft pick where one is not needed.

Seems like the sequence of this mock is done pretty well. Of course, I agree with most others in saying the 2nd round DT is a horrible pick. Especially if it's Spence.

I disagree. Roach is a solid, but not spectacular starter. Getting a LB may be a need, but I don't think it's a 2nd round need by any means.

Agreed. Trestman understands the importance of an OL and developing QBs. Lovie probably understood both, but lacked the desire to do the former and the ability to do the latter.

If he were a WR, that would matter. He's Devin Hester 2.0, but without the initial special teams ability.

Why isn't there a lot of crow being served/eaten in this thread?

He has accuracy issues, which can be solved by a QB guru like Trestman. What he doesn't lack, however, is arm strength, speed, leg strength, explosiveness, and heart.

I like how they tie in Tebow to the story. And you know what? I've said it before and I'll say it again, bring him to Chicago. I'd love to see him as a backup to Cutler. Give him time to develop, and I think he could make a fine QB in the NFL. Honestly, I don't see him as being too far away from some other guys like Russell Wilson who tore up the league this year. It's all about opportunity and surrounding. He was royally screwed in NY, and should have been starting QB there by week 8. Bring winning football players to Chicago. Period. If hiring Cavanaugh means Tebow is coming to the Windy City, so be it.

Me thinks you're too harsh. He's saying, just because someone failed as a HC (and whether or not he failed at SF is up for interpretation) doesn't mean they are destined for failure elsewhere. I think Iron Mike knows enough about defense that he could be a stellar DC, and eventually work his way back into a HC position now that he knows his own weaknesses.

It sounds like your crash course supports the basics of the website I provided.

Oddly, I agree with most of this. The draft has reeked of Lovie for quite some time. Which is why I've said numerous times he drafted so many defensive players. He wanted to ensure his reputation as a defensive guru stayed in tact. Of course, his fatal flaw was that he almost entirely ignored the offense.

Precisely. While it's possible a new candidate could have a lower floor than Marinelli, it's also possible to have a higher ceiling. The reality is, as long as a viable candidate is hired, the defense should perform similarly to how they have performed under Marinelli. And if we're lucky, we get a guy at DC who improves the team by maximizing the talent instead of potentially limiting them.

YES! This entire thread is great news!

Interesting. I've only been to very basic briefings on things like that, which is why I said the website could be BS. Are you saying a person's eye movement has absolutely no relation to the portion of the brain they may be accessing?

I certainly don't, but the way people were reacting one would think it would kill his draft stock.

I wish people would quit perpetuating the falsehood that this D has been consistently good. You can't say they've been good under Lovie then couch it with a "but Babich" comment. Besides that, both Rivera and Marinelli had mediocre/subpar years as well. 2004 - Rivera - 13th points / 21st yards 2005 - Rivera - 1/2 2006 - Rivera - 3/5 2007 - Babich - 16/28 2008 - Babich - 16/21 2009 - Babich - 21/17 2010 - Marinelli - 4/9 2011 - Marinelli - 14/17 2012 - Marinelli - 3/5 I agree players like Wooten and Melton have taken steps forward, but I don't give a damn about what ex-players say. They're damn near crying over the Lovie firing, and I don't think he's a great HC by a long shot. If the Bears wanted coaches with which the players are comfortable, then they should have kept Club Med Lovie. Regarding this year and the elite status you bestow upon them, I think it was a lot of luck in the beginning of the season. No team gets that many turnovers that consistently and that quickly. On top of that, in their first five games they started out with Luck's first pro game, got the Rams, as well as the Jaguars. I expect they'd look good. It's possible the team takes a step back, but I don't think it will be difficult to replace Marinelli. Maybe his reputation, that'll be hard to replace. But, then again, Tice is supposed to have a reputation as an OL genius, and that has proven utterly false.