jason

Webb never should have been starting. Not last year, not this year. But for some reason, Lovie and Tice want to have sweaty man love with him and refuse to bench him for sucking. Which he does.

No. You are not crazy. It's the most simple solution ever proposed. It's one I've been saying ever since Spencer was signed as the replacement for Olin. And before anyone challenges that concept, it's been gone over before, and it's been proven. Google it. Garza has played pretty well at Center, but if switching him and Spencer means Spencer actually plays decent and Garza plays about the same, it's a no-brainer to make the move.

I remember one really fast spin move that led to a pressure, but that's about it.

Ordinarily I'd agree with you, but the horrendous play had little to do with Tice. The OL was complete garbage, Jay was rattled, and they didn't stand a chance of doing anything worthwhile.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap100000006...s-dbs-good-luck Hahaha...reminds me of...

Agreed with the bolded part quite a bit. Keep the faith for both of us, because history indicates it won't last. I just hope he doesn't screw the pooch when the Bears need him the most.

I agree completely. What makes this scary is the Bears' D is predicated on forcing mistakes. Many of those mistakes are via confusion and misdirection. Aaron Rodgers does not get confused very easily. What that leaves is a lot of situations where the Bears will have the deep routes covered up, but the underneath routes wide open. It's been that way for quite some time in Chicago. It's one of the primary reasons the Bears lost the Super Bowl. I expect Rodgers to have a pretty good game with most of his work on 5-10 yard passes. It's up to the Bears to just bat or intercept one or two of those passes and tackle soundly if they want to win. Bears 35 - Packers 31

Because it's unrecognizable and stinks?

Because stuff like this is happening

I have to say I saw this coming. http://www.suntimes.com/sports/football/be...-goal-line.html It may be minor right now, but when we get later in the season and Bush has half as many carries but just as many TDs, expect more rumblings from Forte.

I'll add ChicagoFootballTalk.com to my regular dosage of Bears media, but I've found YBR to be motive-driven and misrepresentative at times.

It's in the nature of Bears fans to be somewhat pessimistic even after a big win. I agree with most of the posts above, but a summary of my thoughts: 1) Cutler looked great for the most part 2) The OL looked horrible to start, did very well the rest of the game. If Williams isn't going to be used at LT (still a mistake in my opinion), then he should replace Spencer. 3) The lack of pass rush against a rookie QB with a mediocre OL doesn't hurt as much as it does against other teams 4) Jennings made two nice picks, but I thought the second one was more a product of an underthrown ball than anything 5) That rookie QB, regardless of the game situation, still threw for 300+ yards. 6) #3-#5 is OK against a rookie QB, but not against Aaron Rodgers and the Packers' WRs

I liked the resting of Urlacher, but in terms of stepping on another team's neck, I prefer Belichik's approach. With the way the Bears' prevent works, it's inevitable that the other team will score. Twenty points is just not comfortable enough in my opinion to start relaxing in the middle of the third quarter (I had no problem with it in the last 5 or so minutes of the 4th quarter).

Overall it's hard to be upset with a 20 point win where the Bears score over 40. The WRs looked good. The pass protection was very good. Rodriguez had some great blocks. The play-calling was mostly what I'd like to see. Shea Mac had some good energy. Jeffery looked explosive. And Marshall was all the #1 we've heard about. But if I had to pick things out that the Bears need to work on: 1) Cutler needs to stop staring down and/or forcing it to Marshall. 1a) The TEs need to be more involved 2) Lovie Smith still needs a "challenge replay" assistant. I knew he'd screw the pooch after throwing the first flag successfully. 3) There was a stretch from the middle of the third to the middle of the fourth where the Bears took their foot off the gas. This is Lovie Smith's M.O. and he needs to get over it. With the weapons the Bears have, the offense shsould be full throttle. 4) Along the lines of #3, please stop with the prevent defense. Everyone hates it, and it almost never works. Luck's TD doesn't happen if not for the soft defense. 5) More pass rush. There was nearly none in the second half. Overall, however, great game. Superb start to the season.

Very happy with the turnaround the offense has made. Solid protection. Great release blocking by TEs. Great catches by Hester, Forte, and Marshall. The only thing I'd like right now is for Cutler to stop focusing so intently on Marshall as a security blanket. Check downs are OK.

This is effing ridiculous. No pass blocking. No run blocking. Cutler ALWAYS under pressure. Cutler + pressure = bad decisions

Wow. Great start by the OL & TE.

Game 1 http://www.talkbears.com/forums/index.php?...st&p=108125 Three in agreement http://www.talkbears.com/forums/index.php?...st&p=108217 More in agreement http://www.talkbears.com/forums/index.php?...st&p=108141 There is virtually no disagreement with the fact that Williams outplayed Webb in the first game. Game 2 (not much talk about OL) http://www.talkbears.com/forums/index.php?...st&p=108324 http://www.talkbears.com/forums/index.php?...st&p=108384 While there is some talk of Williams not doing well, more is of Webb doing poorly. Williams by split-decision. Game 3 http://www.talkbears.com/forums/index.php?...st&p=108460 http://www.talkbears.com/forums/index.php?...st&p=108508 http://www.talkbears.com/forums/index.php?...st&p=108504 This game is the one that seems to have the most anti-Williams comments, but I've yet to see someone post actual comments regarding specific plays. I admit that it takes a monotonous approach to actually analyze one player or one aspect of the game. Much of the actual game is missed as a result. But if someone actually did this, I can't see how they could say Webb outplayed Williams. I'd love to compare notes on the specific plays, but I know that will never happen. So, end result? 1. Williams > Webb 2. Williams > Webb 3. Williams = Webb Straight from the board. Williams wins best 2 out of 3.

That's utterly ridiculous. Until someone can specifically point to why Williams was so bad, and why Webb was better - I'm talking specific plays - then this discussion is pointless. Simply saying "oooh, I think he did better," is just not sufficient. Hell, you even shit on Webb in the first preseason game. Exactly how did Webb outperform Williams, and in which plays did this superior play (in relation to Williams) exist?

I've gone on record as saying I don't see how anyone can say Webb outplayed Williams this preseason. It's almost unanimous that Williams did better in the first two games, and in the third game against the Giants I have a play by play breakdown that says Williams did better. I'd love to hear someone actually break down plays and make a case for Webb other than, "I think he played better" or "It just seems like he did better." I'm open to it, but I just don't think it's realistic when focusing on what the player does each play.

Wow. So, let me get this straight... Webb sucks, but will start at LT (despite the fact that Williams outplayed him this preseason). Spencer sucks, but will start at LG. Garza is an OG, but has played pretty well at C, where he starts. Louis, a 7th rounder, is probably the most stable guy on the OL, and he starts at RG. Carimi, is not fully healthy, and will start (mostly) at RT. Cutler has to be thrilled about this.

All I know about fantasy football over the past couple years can be summed up, after last night, by one name: Ogletree. Picking the best QB, RB, TE, K, or D/ST doesn't seem to matter as much as it used to, because every year there are three or four WRs who come out of nowhere to upset the balance in fantasy football. Inevitably, it'll happen again. I'm sure the waiver wire vultures have already claimed Ogletree, and he'll rip the league a new one for a few years. He'll be Miles Austin. Again.

The person who told you that may be more familiar with High School or College rules. In both, a forfeited game is declared 1-0 for the winner. I'm not sure why it's 2-0 in the NFL.

Daddy like. But I worry about yet another OL prospect who has had a back injury of any kind.

Unless the winner of the Webb/Williams battle, not to mention Spencer, makes ridiculous strides during the season, I will be pissed, once again, if the Bears don't invest heavily in the OL. Just like the last five years or so, it's been the key piece holding the offense back. This upcoming draft is absolutely loaded with OL talent in the first and second round, and skipping both rounds for a LB or DT replacement would be a mistake. Again. Reminds me of the Einstein (maybe) quote: Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again but expecting different results.