jason

Nice, comparing apples to dump trucks. Please try to keep up with the various posts related to Randy Moss. Reading comprehension also helps...the comment you replied to even says that I think he's a great #2 option. Not only was this an idea I've been talking about for years, it's one that fits the Bears this season VERY well. Hopefully he wouldn't be the #1, and the Bears would actually sign a #1, but if everything else went to hell and he was the only WR signed, he would be a better #1 than anyone currently on the team. Ideally, however, either the Bears get a #1 in FA (Colston/VJax) or spend a high pick on a stud with upside (Floyd). Pairing either creates a situation where Moss can't be double-teamed and he torches defenses. This is something I've said numerous times. If he's good enough to interest the Saints and the Niners, he should be good enough to interest the Bears. Regardless of whether they want him to be the #1, #2, #3, or a decoy.

1. Williams. Teams up with Peppers to make the Bears one of the best defenses in the NFL. Automatically upgrades the secondary and DTs. 2. Nicks. Same as Williams for the offense. He'd make the players around him better, open better holes for Forte, allow Cutler more time to throw, and the WRs more time to run around and get open. 3. Colston. Cheaper than VJax, maybe a little worse. Big upgrade over current WRs. Gives Cutler more room for error. 4. VJax. More expensive than Colston, maybe a little better. Big upgrade over current WRs. Gives Cutler more room for error.

hahaha...good call. 2 FA WRs + the first rounder as a WR = Cutler still getting pounded Attention needs to be at the very least split between OL and WR.

It's still a low priority, but I'd like to see Davis signed as the TE. Just because something is a low priority doesn't mean it can't happen. Since he probably has nearly no other interest, it should be an easy signing for the Bears. They throw out an offer and see if he bites. If so, great. But if he put up a fight, he can wait. Spaeth will do in a pinch.

One of the rare instances on this board when everyone is in agreement. Bad idea because of salary and age. If he takes a lot less, and the trade difference is negligible, then yes. But that's not going to happen. Scratch the idea.

Yep. So another NFC contender wants to give Moss a tryout, and this is still a bad idea for the Bears? The fact that it's the Niners hits even closer to home since they are a defense-first team in need of a WR (sounds like a team I know).

What part about, "I like Davis' potential. I'd like to see him signed..." do you not understand?

I think buying your team does work, just not the way he does it. For a gazillionaire, it's odd that he doesn't realize a twenty dollar bill and a pocket full of nickels is worse than a wad of five dollar bills.

Beats the shit out of me. I think everyone on this board knows my stance on the subject. Hutchinson, Grubbs, Nicks, everyone else, should be at least an option. There is no way anyone who understands football can be all that impressed with anyone on the Bears' OL last year. Least of which is obviously Webb, who shouldn't be starting in the NFL. We have a G at C (Garza), a C at G (Spencer), a G at T (Louis), and a T at G (Williams). IDK WTF Tice and the coaches are looking at unless someone in the management chain has simply said that they are not going to spend on OL in the draft or FA. Simply put, building the OL into a cohesive strength of the team amplifies the value of every single skill position moreso than the other way around. And it makes the team's franchise guy (Cutler, not Forte), safer. It's simple yet so difficult for them to comprehend. There's a reason why the Bears offense hasn't really scared anyone in quite some time.

Horrible trade for the Skins. They may have very well duplicated the Herschel Walker to Minnesota trade that turned the Cowboys into a dynasty.

I like Davis' potential. I'd like to see him signed to see what he can do in an offense that utilizes the TE position as an offensive threat. TE should be far down on the list of priorities.

I didn't know you were intimately related to the Knox family and/or the Chicago Bears medical staff! Good to know. Bennett is more than capable of being a #2. All he lacks is targets and a legit #1 to protect him in the offense.

HA!!!! Obvious mistake. I copied and pasted teams all around and couldn't figure out why I had Washington in the bottom section. Couldn't remember the thought process that made me put them in the bottom section. Then I thought to myself, "Did I do that because of money?" Shoulda scrolled up.

Bingo. To simplify: #1 - VJax #2 - Bennett #3 - Knox/Rookie/Sanz/Roy #4 - Knox/Rookie/Sanz/Roy #5 - Hester Where does one more WR fit into the equation? The answer: He doesn't. Signing VJax and drafting one WR in the first couple rounds is plenty. The thing about lots and lots of toys is that you have to have time to play with them. Right now, Cutler doesn't have that time.

Teams that are out Washington - Out. He won't play Eli twice per year. NYJets - Out. Doesn't make sense since he doesn't like media scrutiny. Minn - Bad WRs, below average OL, and Christian Ponder. Teams that are improbable Denver - I have a hard time believing he'd go to a team with obvious flaws to their passing offense. SF - They don't appear to be making much of a push. Arizona - Horrible OL Possibilities Seattle - Dome, money to spend, one glaring hole: QB Miami - Great weather, no state tax, Brandon Marshall Kansas City - Similar to Indy market, Bowe, good running game, fanatic fans Washington - $$$

Same thing I've been trying to get across to the "sign two WRs and draft one high"-camp. It makes no sense. It's overkill.

No doubt. But if the Bears struggle offensively, none of the FA/Draft WRs step up to become a #1 or a serious threat, and Moss puts up 1000yds and 10TDs, we'll all know that the search for a WR wasn't thorough enough for such a pressing issue.

Completely agreed. That's why I'm making the same case in regards to the pu-pu platter of WRs in the other thread. But at the same time, if the coaches think they can catch lightning in a bottle with a FA acquisition that has promise, I don't have a problem with it. I think it's a potentially sound move with minimal downside. Playing that same game with multiple FAs who are getting interest from several teams, however, is potentially expensive.

Perhaps. Which is why I stated earlier that Meachem is the only one that really makes me curious. But in the end, I think he's still very comparable to what the Bears currently have (assuming Knox can return to health). But I'm not completely convinced he's a massive upgrade in talent. Probably a slight upgrade, but that's about it. If the Bears are trying to go from D+ or C- to C+ and B-, then so be it. I don't think that helps that much, but I have to admit it is an upgrade. But if they're going to get a WR, I'd much rather see them make an attempt at an A+ rather than knowing the best they'll get is a B.

Yes, and I see it as a valid comparison. I believe Robinson had a fluke year. Take that away and the numbers are VERY close, the players are VERY similar, and I'm not sure any of them are actual upgrades. You have to figure that a good player is a good player on any team. And if these guys were studs, they would have emerged as more than the #2-#4 guys that they are.

Agreed. On the same token, you have to consider who I'm comparing them to. I'm comparing to the Bears' WRs and the Bears' offense with the Bears' OL and the changes they've encountered over the last several years.

I don't necessarily think it's bad in terms of depth, but it's not the right move. And I don't necessarily agree that any of those guys would be a substantial upgrade over Bennett, Hester, Knox, and Williams. Meachem (40/620/6) = Knox (37/727/2) Royal (19/155/1) = Hester (26/369/1) Manningham (39/523/4) = Williams (37/507/2) Robinson (54/858/11) Bennett (43/481/1) The only one that doesn't make sense is Robinson and Bennett, mostly because I couldn't think of a better way for the FA WRs to align with the Bears' WRs. But Robinson doesn't interest me all that much. Despite his size and speed, he's very injury prone and I think he just got lucky last year. The stars aligned. The minute he gets sitned it wouldn't surprise me if he got hurt and turned into a waste of money. Otherwise, what upgrades have the others really provided?

First part: Hell no. If the Bears stay at 19 and get a guy who wasn't even close to the first round radar before the combine, it will be a horrible move. It will be a reach. He is not the third best WR available, and probably not the fourth, regardless of what all the post-combine slotting has said. Second part: If the Bears move down? Then yes, it's not as bad of a move. It falls in line more closely with where he should be drafted. The combine workout warrior stuff is troubling to say the least.

Completely agreed. Meachem, Manningham, Eddie Royal, and Laurent Robinson just add more pu-pu to the pu-pu platter of WRs. The only one out of the group that actually interests me somewhat is Meachem. But that's mostly on the intuition I have regarding him being in a prolific offense that spreads the ball around, yet he got decent catch numbers, and the fact that he has world-class speed. In the end he sounds a lot like Knox and/or Hester, but I wonder if he could do better and produce more if he were on an offense that didn't run so well with so many pass-catching options. Colston or VJax are the only two FA WRs that really make a lot of sense. Otherwise it's the old fantasy football dilemma of having a bunch of #2 and #3 guys who get you 50yds per week while losing to the team that has 2 or 3 top-dogs who get 100yds and a TD.

THIS. You might as well set fire to the Superdome. Brees is absolutely loved in New Orleans. Cutting him and getting Manning would be one of the top ten stupidest moves in NFL history.