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Had action been taken immediately, he was for the taking. The Bears could have already had him. At a discounted price no less. But now that he has done well at a try out, there goes that idea. It may all be rumors, but if multiple sources are saying he "lit it up," then he's far from washed up. http://eye-on-football.blogs.cbssports.com...475988/35114661

So the Bears would have at WR next year: L. Robinson E. Royal R. Randall D. Hester E. Bennett J. Knox D. Sanzenbacher Seems sort of ridiculous to me to devote that much to the WR position, and that much FA/Draft to the WR position in one year. If that happens, there will be minimal change in the offense because Robinson is fast but unproven (stats not dissimilar from Knox), Royal had a big rookie year and dropped off the map after that (comparable to Hester as a player), and a rookie will have minor impact while fighting for targets and catches in an offense with, by your proposal, 7 WRs. You've essentially created the pu-pu platter of WRs. I'm guessing you think Knox isn't coming back, Sanz will get cut, and Hester is going back to only ST?

Bolded Part: That's how I've felt about Moss and TO for years and years.

Interesting anecdote at the end there. I can tell you from my experience on the other end of the rank spectrum, I saw higher ranks often get off with less punishment or chastisement (or a bad eval) and lower ranks made example (UCMJ) of because as many saw it, harsher punishment on the higher ranks effectively ended their career. Where the lower ranked individuals could easily climb back up to their former rank. This was at numerous locations with numerous units. As for Abu Ghraib, I put up the analogy because military was mentioned. And without this getting into a weapons-grade pissing match or ID card battle, I think the fact that the officers got off with a slap on the wrist and a legal shell game of blame between Pappas, Wood, and Jordan proves my point and disproves the opposite. The fact that you say "can go to jail" and that none of the officers actually did go to jail says a lot. In regards to the Saints, Sean Payton is the COL, Gregg Williams is the LTC, and the players are the enlisted ranks. The primary difference of course is that a military officer has a lot more control over their troops, and an NFL player is still a millionaire who can unequivocally disobey his coaches immoral orders without nearly the repurcussions that would be felt by a soldier with similar actions. Is everyone involved with each of the situations wrong? Absolutely. But it still takes physical effort by the person committing the act.

Three. I'd prefer to load up on the OL and make it all-pro from end to end (seriously). Everyone would cry at first, but then an average Joe RB would be good for 5 YPC, and an average QB could find targets if he had 10 seconds to sit in the pocket. It's not realistic in the NFL because nobody would do it, but I think it's a better strategy and it minimizes cost on all the franchise-type skill players.

We agree on nearly everything, but you're just plain wrong on this one. Check out, for instance, what happened at Abu Ghraib. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Ghraib_to...tive_reprimands BG Karpinski - Demoted. COL Pappas - Fined. LTC Jordan - Remprimanded. SPC Graner - 10 years in prison (served 6.5). SSG Frederick - 8 years in prison. SPC Sivits - 1 year in prison. SGT Davis - 6 months in prison. The list goes on and on. Shit, most definitely, rolled downhill. Like it almost always does in the military. Those who were responsible for running a tighter ship were punished, but those who actually committed the actions were punished much more severely. Same goes for the Saints players and their actions.

Yeah but you didn't throw Jackson into the equation on the post to which I replied! I'm not so sure Mincey is all that interesting, or even a quality pass rusher - much less an upgrade over who the Bears have - but if Jackson is thrown into the equation it's a nice consolation prize.

The fact that the Saints are doing this gives me mixed emotions. On one hand, Moss is probably not the most beneficial player in a locker-room and organization that is currently in turmoil. I've never disagreed with the notion that he's potentially toxic, but the Saints should probably lay low for the moment. On the other hand, if an offensive juggernaut like the Saints want to give Moss a shot to join their finely tuned scoring machine, it tells me Moss is definitely someone the Bears (who are not a finely tuned scoring machine) should be looking at.

It may start with leadership, but the players not have the ultimate say when it comes to following through? Getting a bonus for a big, legal hit/play I don't have a problem with. It's against the CBA, but morally there is no problem in my mind. Ultimately it's the same as getting a sticker on your helmet in college. Getting a bonus for a big, illegal hit/play I have a big problem with. It's rotten to the core, dangerous, against the concept of sportsmanship, but ultimately the decision of the player. Otherwise we can get into the discussion of why the Pittsburgh coaches haven't been fined/suspended for retraining their players on the art of tackling without using the helmet as a weapon. If the coaches are teaching a player to hit a certain way, and not correcting in-practice mistakes, is this not the same thing? Isn't the only difference a spoken word? As has already been mentioned, the financial incentives being offered are minimal enough that it's not about the money. It's just like in the military; a person has the individual responsibility to follow moral orders and disobey immoral orders.

Reasonable? Yes. Interesting? Not really.

See, I'm actually good with math and you kind of lost me with this post. To clarify: Salaries per year: 2,2,4,4,8 = 20 Guaranteed money prorated per year: 4,4,4,4,4 = 20 CAP HIT Year 1: 2+4 = 6 (i.e. Salary + Guaranteed prorated money for the year) Year 2: 2+4 = 6 Year 3: 4+4 = 8 Year 4: 4+4 = 8 Year 5: 8+4 = 12 Cap Hits Total: 6,6,8,8,12 = 40 So, the cap hit is the guaranteed money that year - which is prorated for cap purposes over the lifespan of the contract (i.e. 4), plust the actual yearly salary (i.e. 2). Notice that the initial cap hit is the full dollar value of the contract. The trick: The player actually gets the entire signing bonus / guaranteed money (i.e. 20) and the yearly salary (2) right away. So the team pays, in this situation, over 50% of the money of a five year contract in the first year. This is exactly why I am sick and tired of players signing these kinds of contracts and then bitching in year four about their salary.

Which is kind of stupid considering he's not in the top 5 of DEs out there, much less the average of them (which puts him somewhere around 2.5).

Which position are you talking about? I'm guessing it's DE. If so, I sort of agree, but by having Williams and Peppers, the Bears could essentially underspend on DTs. Six in one hand...

VERY good point Any suspension given to a coach should be less than or equal to the same suspensions given to the players who participated.

Exactly. Foster > Forte. Similarly, Forte > Lynch. Both differences are by similar degrees. I'd say the gap between Foster and Forte is greater than Forte and Lynch. What that means: Foster got 8+ million per year. Lynch got 7+ million per year. Forte should get somewhere in between. This should not be that hard to figure out. If the Bears offer 7.5 and Forte doesn't accept, tag him for insurance and start looking for trading partners.

I'd be happy with that. Unless of course, there is a run on OTs in the first, and the Bears don't have one fall. Then it's not as pretty.

It does have merit because my statement was based upon average per game. The two were similar in production, but Lynch easily had more TDs. Otherwise, I agree with what you've said.

Agreed. Lynch got similar ground production this year as Forte, and was much more productive in finding paydirt. Forte offsets that with receptions. Four TDs in 12 games though? Now that he has a major injury problem, Forte should take a contract like that and be happy about it.

Your final comment. LOL. That should have been the title of the article.

They didn't say he was an OT, they said he played there. And sucked. I'd say that's pretty accurate. The "worst OL in the league" is also pretty accurate. Too much boom or bust, too many missed blocks, consistent penalties, atrocious pass blocking, worst in the league with RBs being met behind the OL. They were the worst in the league.

I don't know what you guys are talking about with Burfict. Yeah, he had a horrible combine and made stupid mistakes, but he's got a ton of positives and makes great plays all over the field. He's aggressive, a good tackler, is seemingly in every tackle, and very instinctive. Check out Walter Football's interpretation: http://www.walterfootball.com/scoutingreport2012vburfict.php

Hate it. http://www.walterfootball.com/draft2012.php 1. Kendall Wright, WR/KR, Baylor 2. Dwayne Allen, TE, Clemson 3. Brandon Washington, G/OT, Miami 3. Cam Johnson, DE, Virginia 4. Shaun Prater, CB, Iowa 5. Jaye Howard, DT, Florida If the draft played out like this, what would rather see happening with how the players are slotted? I'd rather see: 1. Mike Adams, OT, Ohio State: Possible BPA at #1 need 2. Nick Toon, WR, Wisconsin: The early 2nd round run on WRs hurt 3. Jerel Worthy, DT, Michigan State: He has potential and the quick burst Lovie wants in a DT. 3. Markelle Martin, FS, Oklahoma State: I think he's actually the best pure FS in the draft. 4. Vontaze Burfict, LB, Arizona State: If he's actually there in the 4th, you have to pull the trigger on potential alone. Not to mention raw talent. 5. Marvin McNutt, WR, Iowa: Again, if he falls this far, this is a no-brainer. That would be an outstanding draft.

I disagree completely. Skill positions come and go. Solid OLinemen stay for a long time. Any time you can get a stud OLineman when he's is or is close to BPA, while also being a desperate team need, you do it. On top of that, OL was the number 1 need not only last year, but the year before that, and the year before that. Not to mention this year. It remains, and will continue to remain, the primary need until it is addressed. The mere fact that this organization has chosen to throw 7th rounders in there and then wonder why it's not getting better year after year should be a clear indication of why it remains a problem. OL is the #1 reason why the Bears continue to wallow in offensive mediocrity. As for Webb, I've said this many times in many ways. Tice used the pieces given to him. Period. He could either use a LT who he thought had potential (Webb) and put Williams in where he was sure he'd do well, or put Williams at LT (which would have been a minor question mark) and put an even bigger question mark at LG. That result was what we saw later in the year when Guys like Edwin Williams and Chris Spencer were being thrust into the lineup with less than stellar results. And just because Webb is ill-suited for LT (this is not up for debate) doesn't mean his skillset is best suited for RT. No way in hell he plays RT for the Bears unless they move Carimi to LT and keep Williams at OG...which would be yet another mistake. I'm sick and tired of this shell game bullshit. They need to find starters and plug them in for the long haul.

Really?! You're telling me a 2nd rounder couldn't come in and unseat Edwin Williams or Chris Spencer? Neither of those guys are that good. They are serviceable at best. Make no mistake, there is a very good chance one of those guys is starting next year since Garza will remain at Center. And if the Bears move Williams back to LT, both of those guys could potentially start (even though one would probably lose out to Louis). If that's the case, a 2nd rounder could come in and start immediately. If Kelechi Osemele is available, and it's entirely feasible that he's there in the 2nd round for the Bears, he's an immediate upgrade over Spencer or Williams.

If you count Garza, that looks like two legit starters (Garza and C. Williams) and three guys who deserve to be backups. So, I agree that the Bears do have good OG depth. But they certainly don't have a ton of talent in the position and if a great talent fell to the Bears in the second and Emery/Lovie just had to pick him because he was obviously BPA by a longshot, I wouldn't be upset to see a draft pick put Spencer or Edwin Williams on the chopping block.