jason

Miraculous? That's just straight up nonsense.

Yes. The Bears would have to mortgage their entire draft to move into the top 5. That is not a move that should be made for any college player. The only time that type of trade is acceptable is when it's for an already established pro-bowler. And even then it better be at a key position. Having said all that, if it were to happen I'd hate it, but it would be much more tolerable if it's a LT, because the Bears need a LT more than WR (i.e. Webb is not better at LT than Knox, Bennett, or Hester is at WR) and in the grand scheme of things, LT is a more important position than WR.

I don't disagree with you. I've been saying it for years and years. I still don't understand how opposing teams are able to cover the speed between Knox and Hester, and then the route-running of Bennett. There has to be something off. That makes me think of a few possibilities: 1. The OL doesn't give them enough time to actually run routes that allow them to use their straight-line speed (most likely), 2. They don't know how to use angles to seperate (a bit of truth in this as well), 3. The routes being used don't compliment the WR speed (difficult to assess as long as #1 & #2 are true, but I haven't seen the Bears frequently execute the Green Bay quick-slant that has been killing the Bears for years), 4. Cutler doesn't trust in the routes/plays/protection (a little truth here as well). The point is, I don't think it's as simple as saying "get a new OC."

Any packer loss is a Bears win. Period. I cheered today like the Bears won the game. Great stuff.

Trading that much for one guy, no matter how highly rated, no matter how much he's predicted to be a superstar, is ridiculous when there are multiple holes. Trading up a little bit is one thing because the Bears have pieces to move, but that kind of move would be very costly. This shouldn't even be up for consideration. Especially since the FA list is so extensive.

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The two aren't mutually exclusive. It's simple: A first round talent like Blackmon, Jeffery, or Floyd will be underutilized because they won't reach their full potential. They'll be undercoached, underdeveloped, and as a result they won't get the number of targets that a #1 somewhere else in a more prolific offense would get. TO, on the other hand, is already extremely developed; he's a future HoFer. He needs no technique coaching - personality coaching maybe. He knows how to play football already and will play to his full potential (for a big reason: he's playing for a future contract).

I really don't think it's an exaggeration. I think he's better than any WR on the roster overall. He can't be the legit #1 any more, but I think he's still better than any of the guys on the Bears. You're right though, most of the NFL people write him off, but I think a fair amount of that was just a league-wide, general disdain, and a lack of risk-taking (which is understandable). As for people who watched it, I thought he looked a little gimpy, like he had a very lightly sprained ankle or something, but he didn't look as bad as you make it out. The thread isn't a joke; it's a Bears' fans attempt to find answers to a situation that probably won't end up as well as everyone wants. I believe the Bears will pick up one big name FA WR, but I don't think they'll do nearly as much as most of you want. TO would be an unbelievable #2 on a team that has Bowe or VJax.

Why can't you cut him? That would be part of his contract. Small money, lots of incentives, easy to cut. If he causes BS, cut him. Simple. The positive side is, he's better than any WR the Bears have on the roster. Where are you getting this "can't cut him" nonsense?

The father time line made me laugh...but even at 39, and coming off a massive knee injury, he's better than any WR on the roster.

And yet, there are literally 27 other teams who have a better set of WRs than the Bears, and 4 other teams (CLE, JAX, TB, STL) who arguably have better WRs. The Bears are not in a position to be choosey about WRs when there is a future HoF'er available for pennies on the dollar but has been essentially black-balled out of the league - mostly his fault - under the guise of "injury concerns" instead of the reality of GMs not wanting to deal with him. It's absolutely ignorant thinking like that that shows these guys don't want to win 100%. They want to win, but they're not willing to sell out 100% for it. They want some utopia where everyone you pick up is a academic all-American and an Eagle Scout, but also can jump out of the stadium. It's the same thinking that has restricted the Bears in the past when TO AND Moss were available. You're telling me TO isn't better than the #5 WR on any roster in the NFL?! If so, you're insane. Is there potential risk? Sure. But unlike most #5 guys, there is also an upside they rarely have. If he screws up, he's cut. He doesn't have teams lining up for him any more. The difference, of course, between him and other #5 guys is that he's a future HoF'er who could teach virtually every WR in the NFL a thing or two about being a pro WR. And then there is the added bonus of him putting up stats. 72 Receptions and 9 TDs in 2010 before the knee injury. I don't see why he couldn't easily come in and put up 50rec/7TD, and that's being conservative.

Man, people on this board have been using virtually the same excuses for several years. There are a plethora of WRs out there who are younger, but I'd rather have TO than all of about 4 or 5 of them.

To be quite honest, I think Hernandez has more upside than Gronkowski. Hernandez fits the mold of the current WR/TE hybrid who poses an almost impossible matchup. He's too fast for most LBs, and too big for most DBs. They each have similar 40 times, but Hernandez is much more potent and quick out of his cuts. It's just a matter of size and versatility. Gronkowski is bigger and can block better, but Hernandez has better hands. A lot of teams want to catch-first TE, and Hernandez fits the bill perfectly. And if he bulks up a little bit without losing speed, he's a guaranteed all-star. Problem is, he's not leaving NE for the time being, the Pats' coaching staff and Brady are enamored with Gronkowski, and Hernandez is stuck playing second-TE on an offense that spreads the ball around a ton. Having said all that, no, I don't think they would be as productive on other teams. Hell, I know for a fact they wouldn't have been as productive on the Bears this season. Olsen's best year isn't as good as either of these guy's second year, and it's easy to argue that the stats could have been split more evenly if not for the NE style of play. Splitting the stats, they could have had 1100+yds each, and 17 TDs each. They are both great talents, but they wouldn't be nearly as productive as they are on the Patriots.

It appears nobody wants TO. Nobody attended his workout (where he looked like a beast despite recovering from a huge injury in very minimal time). He is still, even at his age and even with recent injuries, probably better than any WR on the roster. What is the downside to signing him to a low-base, incentive-filled contract? Seems like a win-win to me. The guy wants to play, is still in incredible shape, could potentially teach the Bears' WRs a thing or two about numerous things (working out, running routes, etc.), and would be playing as an audition to continue his career in the NFL. If he starts shit, cut him. If he doesn't produce (measured up against other WRs who have been kept but yielded little results...looking at you Roy Williams), cut him. Really, win-win. Why not send out a feeler on him?

That would be a move so bad we might as well get Ditka in here to be the GM. Horrible. The team is desperate for a big time WR, but not so desperate to sacrifice the entire team - one which has multiple glaring holes - in order just to have one guy.

I would say great picks prevail, but average picks on great teams also prevail. Put Gronkowski and Hernandez on any other team, and you don't see nearly as much production and don't hear nearly as much about them. But put them in NE's offense, with their stellar OL, with all-world Tom Brady, and that's another story. And if the Bears drafted two TEs this year, I would be absolutely pissed. That would be ridiculous.

Which is why I changed your original point - that speed is the key - to something a little different. If it were all about speed, the Bears would have one of the top WR corp in the NFL with Hester and Knox leading the way. But we all know that's only part of the picture. Give me Steve Largent and Hines Ward any day.

What I like most about the article is that he appears to understand that the OL isn't very good and needs a blocking TE to stay in for help. He understands that the primary reason for the lack of offensive success is that Jay Cutler has not had adequate time to feel comfortable in the pocket and make progressions. Hopefully it also means that he's content with Kellen Davis and Matt Spaeth for the time being, because they both block well, and will focus his attention to the biggest needs on offense: OL & WR.

Wrong. Arm strength at the very least could have been determined. Pocket presence is immediately apparent for a young QB under pressure; either he stays in and throws, or he runs for his life. Various other things can be determined as well. Does his footwork get sloppy when it's an actual game situation? Does he understand the offense? Does he execute the offense well? Maybe more important in today's game, does he make the same reads as the WRs so that he's not throwing an "in" when the WR is running an "out"? The entire picture wasn't going to be painted, but there are things to be learned from playing in an actual game against people want to literally hurt and beat you. He doesn't get that in practice. And even if nothing was learned, it is still better to give some playing time rather than no playing time to a player you plan to keep around. Much better than the choice of giving the PT to someone who might not be around.

I actually think the Marinelli hiring was more Lovie hooking his buddy up than anything else. The fact that he wasn't DC right away was just a way of waiting out Babich until it was the right time to fire him without losing face in the media and around the league.

You got that shit right. Cycle. Jauron almost fired, gets lucky one season mostly because of the players and not because of coaching, gets an extension. He finally gets dumped, and the Bears go through virtually the same thing with Lovie. In 2006 he got the team to the SB, but many here thought it had less to do with his coaching than the national media made it out to be. Sure enough, he gets completely outcoached in the SB, but nonetheless has the national support to get the extension. Luckily the team won the final two games, finishing 7-9 to get a worse draft position. 2008 rolls around and the team underperforms, again, but they manage to win 3 of the last 4, just enough to make the draft position worse while not making the playoffs. In 2009, what do you know?, the Bears go 7-9, but it's a damn good thing they won those last two games and screwed up their draft position while not making the playoffs again. Smith getting fired rumors begin to surface, but they don't fire him, and he leads the team to the NFC Championship game...just in time to have a few more shitty years where draft position is screwed up and the team floats around .500. But I'm not bitter about it at all. Let's hope the cycle has ended and something new begins, because I can't take another year or two of Lovie wearing a zombie mask and leading this team to a mediocre record with minimal change and improvement, only to get a pardon from the governor right before execution.

Exactly. Where WRs come to die. That's one of the reasons why I'm still opposed to the WR in the first idea: underutilization.

Picking Blackmon, Floyd, or Jeffery in the first round where the Bears are at makes sense. Even I admit that, despite the fact that I would much rather have a LT. But Sanu, Wright, and Jones?! No freaking way. One of those guys, and a group of others, can be had for far less. If any of those three are picked in the first by the Bears, I will be livid. And it will be a reach.

Repeat

2004 - Terrell, first round talent that was never developed beyond raw ability. Squeezed way more out of Bobby Wade than anyone thought possible. [OC - Terry Shea] 2005 - MuhMuh regressed from previous years, and I'm sure Drake had some input into his acquisition, meanwhile Mark Bradley wastes his rookie year [OC - Turner] 2006 - Berrian showed noticable improvement, Bradley continued to waste, MuhMuh continued to disappoint [OC - Turner] 2007 - Berrian still looking good, Hester emerges with some raw ability, Bradley continues to waste away with no improvement, and MuhMuh appears to be mailing it in [OC - Turner] 2008 - Devin Hester shows considerable improvement, Earl Bennett barely sniffs the field, Brandon Lloyd and Marty Booker are available for 26 games total but only beat Rashweed Davis by 5 receptions [OC - Turner] 2009 - Hester continues to improve, Knox emerges, Bennett emerges (probably held back in 08 by Lloyd and Booker), Aromoashodu criminally underutilized [OC - Turner] 2010 - Hester regresses, Bennett improves, Knox has better stats but has horrible tendencies that lead to multiple Cutler INTs, Aromashodu still underutilized [OC - Martz] 2011 - Odd year, just about all players appear to regress, but that could be directly related to having an NFL QB in only 10 games. Knox, Hester, Williams are not better than their previous years. Bennett is steady but severely underutilized [OC - Martz] The verdict: Only really Berrian and Hester have improved, and an elevator on the ground floor can only go up. So that leaves Berrian as the only real improved WR. Fire Drake. If not for the lack of improvement for the continual what-ifs. What if Aromashodu were used more? What if Knox were taught how to come back to the ball and actually help the QB out? What if Lloyd was actually used while in Chicago? What if Bradley had actually been given a chance and his confidence wasn't destroyed in the first two years? Fire him. MuhMuh was right; Chicago is where WRs come to die. It's partly because of the offenses, QBs, and the OCs, but it's mostly because of a pervasive, ground-oriented offensive philosophy that hangs over Chicago like a dark cloud. As long as Lovie Smith is in Chicago and that cloud remains, we won't see fireworks in the air. Which is odd since so many want to focus the majority of attention on WR in FA and the draft...will it be another WR who comes to Chicago to die?