jason

The Bears have continually let me down over my lifetime, and it's usually worse in primetime. I hate to be like that, but it's just the truth. Russell Wilson likely has a field day throwing to guys we don't even know. Our offense can't keep up. 28-20 Seahawks

I knew before I even clicked that y'all would say no almost as a whole. I understand risk aversion, but talent is talent. He's a headcase, but he has NFL ability to produce. Maybe the Browns cut him because they're the Browns and they don't do anything right? If he doesn't cut the mustard, or even gives the coaches a small bit of attitude, cut his ass. There's virtually no risk in trying to pick him up. And maybe it lights a fire under Kevin White's ass, and the Bears finally get return on investment for their first rounder.

What I know is this: That's a game we should have won. The Bears could have fixed a lot of things and solved their problems, but there is one problem that really bugged me. How in the world were the Bears collapsing the pocket every play in the first half, but suddenly they couldn't create pressure in the second half? I submit that a helluva lot more holding was going on, and not being called. On the TD the packers had to score 17, the RT 100% held and wasn't called. Later there was a play where Rogers rolled out and Mack had just beaten his man...but the guy reached out and grabbed a shoulder pad that yanked Mack back, as well as dislodge his jersey from the shoulder pad. Just enough of a hold, it had a material effect, and should have been called. Glass half full here, but I loathe Green Bay and laughed when Rogers went down.

I'm not sure how I feel about this. I love the addition, but hate the subtraction. We can justify it however we want, but the reality is we actually give up two first rounders and something. Yes, we were going to draft an OLB early next year, but it's still lost years on a rookie deal, less money on a rookie deal, and a guy who is going to want to break the bank ASAP. Ryan Pace is definitely going all in at the moment. The D was top 10, and should be top 5 this year. If the O steps up to middle of the league, this is a team that can threaten to go all the way.

HAHAHA. I literally snorted.

Regarding the comparison of other contracts, it's apples and oranges. Rookie contracts are slotted different from vet contracts. Whether or not the situation comes true is an unknown at this point, but it's a stipulation that is far outside the norm. Furthermore, it sets a slippery slope. Maybe next time a player wants to guarantee his money for getting a substance abuse suspension if it's only specific GNC products? Or some other pill that causes issues or is used as a scapegoat? The team should not negotiate. Bad precedent.

Pertinent: https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2018/08/08/roquan-smith-joins-fraternity-of-infamous-chicago-bears-1st-round-holdouts/

Given the history of early contract negotiations and always being early, not to mention the solid they gave Miller, I’m surprised anyone actually thought this was on the Bears.

I just want to point out that... INT 1 is on Morgan for getting put on skates. INT 2 is on the TE.

I fully realize the scenario in place, and the contract language being discussed. At this point, it's clear Roquan Smith, his agent, or both are to blame for the entire situation. He's quickly losing fans.

Which is pretty much the primary reason I didn't want to see an ILB for the Bears in the first round.

Wow. http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/24045670/ranking-nfl-best-worst-offensive-arsenals-weapons-2018

I like the optimism and the video, but I'm not so sure AR15 translates to Alshon.

I just got wood.

For record, we don't know what Cohen would/could do with a full run as the primary back. He's limited by touches because of what the coaches believe will happen if he gets a full load. He seemed to carry the load pretty well in college for four years. Roughly 20 carries a game. He's small in stature, but he's one of those guys who doesn't take massive hits because of his speed, dexterity, center of gravity, height, etc.

I don't care about the dick measuring contest, because I don't want to cause anyone else inadequacy issues. However, Cohen is a very rare back in terms of skillset. What he can do can't be measured. There is no "puts LB on skates"-measurement. Also, I don't think Nall is very special. He doesn't look fast at all. Much less explosive. I don't think he'll make the team, because Cunningham looked great in limited touches (particularly receptions) last year.

Agree almost entirely. I am just a little higher on McG than some others. I think he'll turn into an above average player with some accolades. He wasn't great value at #8, but he was good value. I think his upgrade over either OT on the Bears would have helped the team more than upgrading ILB, where I think Kwiatkoski has some more upside. (BTW - You could look back and see that I liked Kwiatkoski before he was drafted, so this isn't a shock that I support him.)

You can twist words however you want. Nobody can prove an impossibility. In any situation. Nobody can speak to the true what if of a reorganized draft where McGlinchey is on the Bears and Roquan is on the Niners. Or any other situation. It's stupid because you can't prove it one way or the other. All you or anyone else can do is speak to the player on the team they go to. As for the last sentence, c'mon. You know damn well there are multiple heads in that room, and some are louder than others, and some win the argument. This happened over and over with Lovie ignoring O to grab D.

It wouldn't be pure BPA or pure need. Pure BPA is stupid, because it could potentially have left a team like the Bears picking another QB. But pure need is also stupid, because it causes someone to reach. As for who I would have picked, I would have tried my damnedest to trade back. There were willing teams. If nobody would make a trade, it would have been between Smith, McGlinchey, and Minkah. Gun to my head I would have probably have picked McG. I think Minkah would upgrade either safety spot, but I like Amos and Eddie. So he's out. That leaves Smith and McG, and the upgrade from either is significant. Ultimately, however, the Bears just picked a QB that needs everything possible around him to ensure he succeeds. That includes protection on the edges. McG (who would have been a slight reach) starts day one and is better than either Bears OT starter.

Qualifiers are truths in this situation. Randy Moss drafted by the Bears never turns into Randy Moss.

Just because you don't want to go back and look for something doesn't make it true. What you are mentioning has been done on this board many times over the years. As for your direct challenge, I'll do it, but there is one problem. We don't know what the players would have done on any other team. A player's success or failure has a lot to do with the talent and team around him. If Tom Brady had been drafted by the Bears he would not be married to Giselle or have won the SB multiple times. It's just a 100% guarantee. As for the QBs, here's my best guess as for the current situation. Baker Mayfield - He'll look like a spark plug, energize with some great plays here and there, but ultimately won't amount to much more than average. Mostly because the Cleveland Browns are the Cleveland Browns. Towards his final contract year the team will struggle with the decision to re-sign him or draft another QB. Sam Darnold - I don't think he'll start right away. Their WRs and OL are a mess, and I couldn't tell you who is going to play TE for them. By the time his rookie contract ends he'll have shown enough to be their QB of the future. Josh Allen - Bust. He had problems at a lower level college environment. Josh Rosen - I think he'll be the one who will have the most success. Their talent level on offense is pretty good, and there are already talks of figuring out how to get rid of Sam Bradford. On top of that, the Browns decided against Rosen because of a volleyball player's comments at an airport. Lamar Jackson - I love Ozzie Newsome and his drafting style in general, so I have a hard time doubting him. Flacco is near the end, and I think they'll have sub-packages to put in Lamar Jackson here and there. He'll be electric like Michael Vick. But his success hinges on protection and skill players who make him comfortable enough he doesn't feel the need to run every other down. All of the above is still an uncertainty, mostly because nobody knows what the teams will or won't do with the other several dozen positions over the next few years. If they ignore the OL like the Bears have done, then none of the guys above will likely have a chance at sustained success.

I think DBDB is right. We need RR/Bullard to step up. This deficiency should have been addressed in the draft. Dorance Armstrong or Josh Sweat in the 4th would have made more sense given their college production/positioning. Hopefully Iggy can make the transition from ILB to OLB like the rumors say.

I think the Lions did pretty well. 1/20 C Ragnow - Makes Stafford more comfortable in the pocket. 2/11 RB Kerryon Johnson - I've seen this guy since middle school. He's a stud. I've been saying he'd be a pro since he was in 9th grade. I hated seeing him to go a division rival. He could be special. 3/18 S Tracy Walker - I didn't get this pick as much. Didn't know much about him. 4/14 DE Da'shawn Hand - Great value. Potential to be a stud if he produces to talent level. 5/16 G Tyrell Crosby - Great value here. Makes Stafford more comfortable in the pocket. 7/19 RB Nick Bawden - A camp body.

Ditto. The interior looks strong, but the OTs are not. There's also the flip-flop of a natural OG playing C (Whitehair), and a natural C playing OG (rookie). That hasn't traditionally worked in the past. Throw in Kyle Long's injury history, and the OL could derail any of the skill position players picked up...just like it has over and over for the past 20 years or so.

Roquan. I didn't want an ILB in the first, and I think going a different direction would have benefited the team more overall, but I think he can do great things for the team. I'm predicting 100+ tackles rookie year.