jason

Why do you take this as fact? What in Angelo's track record suggests that he would have picked an OLineman? Nothing. As for logical fallacies, you're the one trying to prove something that is impossible to prove (i.e. what the Bears would have done). You are stating that the Bears DEFINITELY would have picked someone for the OL with a first round pick. The evidence and history suggests otherwise. Nobody is debating what happened IN the trade, but you're sure as hell trying to debate something that would have happened, despite your position's contradiction with history. Nevertheless, if we all think it was such a great need, and you're absolutely convinced that it was the Bears' #1 priority, and the Bears' front office also thought that, then why didn't they draft an OL with the first available pick last year? Shortly after the Bears picked Major Wright there were two quality OLinemen selected in the end of the third. Figure that one out.

First, the OL only did well in the third quarter. It wasn't the entire second half. And, to me, you can argue that three of the picks were not Cutler's total fault. Glad to know you at least admit that ONE can be given to a WR who quit on the route. The Slant - Hall jumped it, but it's a three step drop and Knox quit on the route. You don't need as much strength if you actually run your route at full speed and get where you're supposed to be. With Knox's speed, the ball would probably have been incomplete if he were where he was supposed to be. The potential is there for a catch or interference call as well. You act as if Knox is a 100lb 8th grader instead of the lightning fast NFL player that he is. The Deep Ball - Bad read? Perhaps. But the number of times an NFL announcer or player has said, "you gotta give your number 1 WR a chance," is astounding. That's what Jay did. Regardless of the previous INTs, and the fact that Knox quit on routes during the game, he STILL had faith in Knox and threw the ball for his WR to go get it. Unfortunately, Knox dropped down into third gear, and when the ball reached it's destination there was only the Redskins' DB there. Once again, Knox has sub 4.4 speed, and if he ran that route he would have been in the vicinity. If he ran his route the possibility of a catch or defensive pass interference become just as likely as the INT. Answer these questions for me, if you wouldn't mind... 1) Did Knox quit on the slant route INT? 2) Did Knox run slower on the deep ball INT?

Noted. Evident to whom? Not the Bears' front office or management, who STILL ignored OL even though they picked up Cutler. You're fooling yourself if you think they would have picked OL. That's BS. At best fans were mixed. At best local media was mixed. And http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/stor...d=4037560"" target="_blank">most pundits believed the Bears got the better of the deal considering the fact that franshice QBs never get traded. That's inconsequential, because Turner was gone whether or not the Bears traded for Cutler. With Orton it would have just been a QB most of us liked, but whose immobility would have probably led to more sacks. And in what way does that has to do with the Cutler trade? They would have still sucked with Orton in Chicago, and the stats would have been potentially worse because of Orton's lead feet. 3. Agreed, but their overall talent on offense is better. 4. True. 5. Attitude? Yes. But I honestly don't have a problem with his Hall comments. We can argue all we want, but many see that the WRs quit on three of the INTs. 6. True. But once again, how in the hell is that Cutler's fault? Sorry dude, but on most of this you're mixing apples (Cutler/Orton) with oranges (whether or not the Bears' front office is ever willing to protect their offensive talent).

Thank you for bringing some sanity to this thread.

You know AT WORST, that would have been one first round D Lineman...and the other would potentially have been another position. Knowing Angelo and Lovie, it would have been a shot on a kid with potential from a small school who is labeled as a tweener. Two O Linemen

Please don't make a comment so ignorant as to compare the Washington OL with the Chicago OL. That's just simply ridiculous. They have Jamal Brown and Trent Williams, two first rounders, not to mention an underrated center in Casay Rabach.

He couldn't challenge it because... 1-The morons in the Chicago replay booth are actually sub-contractors for the Green Bay Packers 2-His load was blown on the previous replay challenge 3-He looked stupid for challenging the previous play that simply didn't matter and should never have been challenged 4-Someone told him that he might want those things called timeouts, something he wasn't aware of last week when a TO was wasted 5-Zombie Lovie never speaks during the game

I LOVED the Moore selection in the draft. Like I said at the time, the dude is a player regardless of height. And just like the last productive #30, the guy always seems to be around the ball, in the right spot at the right time. And he should have had two INTs for TDs this past game. That's a rule that the NFL should change. If the play clock expires and the officials accidentally let the play continue, then the defense should get to choose the results of the play or acceptance of the penalty, just as if it were any other penalty.

That would sure as hell help.

But wouldn't then people say something about... A] The lack of aggressiveness on Offense B] That Cutler has to give his WR a chance in one-on-one plays C] That Cutler should make the read and throw, and waiting for the next read is his fault if there is a sack It just seems that no matter what Cutler's decision is, some of you guys will not give him any benefit of the doubt...despite the fact that the OL is one of the worst in history, Hester doesn't know the plays, Knox clearly quits on plays, Olsen is widely considered soft, and none of the players who stay in to help protect the QB do a very good job. To me, Cutler appears to be in a no-win situation. And that's not even talking about the horrendous coaching from top down.

A couple of comments on this one: 1) You are right on Knox and the WRs. Knox has quit on routes, and the fact is, it never seems to be Bennett having communication problems with Cutler. It's always Hester (who has always been thought of as a simpleton), Olsen (who has always been thought of as kind of soft), and now Knox (who is quickly gaining a reputation for quitting on routes). 2) The defensive scheme is horrendous. I've been saying it ever since Lovie got here in town. If I recall correctly, nfo also hates it. The DEs do nothing but run around edge, pushing the QB into the comfortable pocket that rarely gets collapsed. The cover-2 is a passive philosophy, and it kills the Bears' defensive rush as well as the DL's stats. 3) Yes, someone should be fired for not reviewing the obvious TD from Cutler.

If you seriously watched the following INT again, and that's your honest opinion, then I don't quite know what to say. Cutler's 4th Interception It is VERY clear to me that Knox was not running at full speed on that last INT, and didn't even react as if a ball was coming his way until he realized it too late. Better yet, watch this highlight: http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlig...omedy-Of-Errors INT #1 - Cutler and Hester don't communicate, because Hester runs a stop route and Cutler throws an in route. The possibilities are: A] One of them had the wrong play, B] The play was the same and Cutler threw it too far in, C] The play was the same and Hester didn't complete his route. Verdict: I'm more inclined to believe that Cutler did the right thing, especially when considering Hester needed to be told where to line up as recently as two weeks ago. INT #2 - Horrible decision...Favre-esque Verdict: Cutler threw a jump ball, period. INT #3 - Three step drop. Cutler turns and throws. Knox is two yards behind Hall on the route. Verdict: This one is up for debate, but I can't remember the last time I saw a three-step drop and a slant route get so thoroughly destroyed. Given the fact that Knox quit on multiple routes during the game, I'm willing to split this one half way. Cutler probably could have double-pumped this one (even though the intention of the 3-step drop is to plant and fire), but on the same token Knox simply has to run his full route. And if the DB is in front, he has to make a minimal effort to break up the pass. INT #4 - Bomb to Knox. Verdict: I'm sorry, but I simply can't blame Cutler that much on this one. Knox quit on a route once again in this game. That makes at least four that I saw. The replay above (the first one) clearly shows Knox pulling up at about the 30-25. Given that the ball was intercepted on about the 14, it's understandable that Cutler overthrows him. We're talking about a guy with track speed, who Cutler has to throw ahead of and approximate his speed, pulling up halfway through the play. And please don't try to feign ignorance on the "fumble." We all know that it was a TD, and either Lovie or the coaches in his replay booth were to chickenshit to throw the red flag after just failing to win the previous one (which was a stupid challenge to begin with).

Either way...I'm out guys. Another disappointing loss in a disappointing year that will still probably not result in getting a different coaching staff.

And I don't think you'll see me say he was good today. He had several passes that were off. But the fumble was BS, and on three of his INTs the WR just quit on the route. Hard to be successful in that regard.

Watch the play again. Honestly watch the play. And if you STILL believe this is not at the VERY least a turnover shared by Knox, then I don't know what to say. I want Cutler to be great. I think he can be. Unfortunately he hasn't been. But I think your obsession with saying how horrible he is is worse than what I'm doing. I don't think you're being realistic at all. On THREE different INTs the WR quit on Cutler. And on nearly every play other than that one drive in the third quarter, the OL absolutely sucked. It is just hard for me to understand how you guys can just act as if Cutler is supposed to do something other than have turnovers when it's plainly obvious the other players aren't giving his drops or passes a chance to be successful.

Hard for Cutler to judge the depth of the pass when it's plainly obvious that Knox was jogging on that route. I defy ANYONE to watch that play again and tell me Knox wasn't dogging it. I have watched it four times and it is obvious.

How do you "lock on" to a WR on a 3-step drop? Do you realize how stupid that sounds?

On that drive alone... Knox drops an obvious first down catch. Webb gets called for a hold. Surprise. Knox quits on ANOTHER route, and almost costs Cutler another interception. But, yeah, this is all on Cutler. He needs to go 34 for 40, get 350 yards and 3 TDs with no INTs.

Except it came off as complete sarcasm and can hardly be believed.

Bad throw, but notice the first person being blamed by Aikman is Knox, who completely quit on the throw and his route. Nearly the same thing as the first interception. But yeah, it's ALL on Cutler.

Nice try; the fumble is on Forte. I only blame them when it's their fault. Unlike you, who couldn't say something nice about Cutler or Martz if they were saving puppies and special needs children from a church fire.

I sure hope not, because the D is obviously getting tired...as predicted.

BTW - I can't wait to see you blame the Forte fumble on Cutler or Martz. You know you want to.

The fact of the matter is, that was the first turnover that was really on him. The other interception was thanks to a WR not doing his job. Fact. The fumble was the result of a bad play call, a bad job by the OL, a horrible noncall by the officials, and a braindead nonreview by your boy Lovie. Fact.

Unlike you, I'm looking at this game and this realistically. You're just being a dick.