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This guy understands it. Call it placation if you wish, but I think this is an honest understanding that he put too much on them, and it nearly derailed the entire season. Martz takes the blame

Honestly. No mini-Ditka talk. Do the Bears even get close to 20 points? If the Bears manage ten offensive points in total, I'll be surprised. It's up to the D and the ST to get this win, because I don't see Collins producing it.

That's a complete misstatement, and you know it. Go look at the video lowlights; I have. Nine or ten of those interceptions are because WRs/TEs ran the wrong route, fell down, ran into an official, or something else. You can't compare last year to this year. Yes, a taller WR has a better shot at getting a high pass than a shorter DB, but that doesn't mean the odds are good either way. A lob to Olsen is not going to be caught most of the time because he'll have no separation, and as soon as the ball hits his hands it will be blasted away. The reason why the seam pass works in crowded territory is because it's over the MLB's head, and he doesn't see it. That's where the height is a definite advantage, because the QB can throw it just that much more over the top. But a fade route? Really? That is not the solution to the problems. The solution is clearly the OL. But if that doesn't get fixed, then you have the next best solution in your last sentence: "shotgun--3 step drop." The fade route isn't necessary when the routes and drops are quick.

I hope you are speaking about Moss, and not Jackson. Because the original point of this thread was about Jackson, which is pointless. Jackson is not as good as Moss, and wouldn't help the team out enough to mortgage the future (i.e. trade a draft pick).

Nobody is doubting your football past. But you just don't throw continuous lob passes to tall receivers when the QB is under duress. One, this creates a situation where a QB is still getting murdered. And, two, just as important, you've now set up a situation where a WR is more likely to be injured. Most of the quick throws to Moss and Fitzgerald aren't just lob passes. But that's because those guys know how to get open better, and more often...and the OLs on their teams actually block consistently. Sorry, dude, but with the Bears of the last three years, it's ALL the OL. Fix that, and the "short" WRs won't have problems.

I'm in agreement. 12 sacks do not happen by a fluke. This, and the defensive line's underwhelming performance, just makes a little sicker every time I hear about how awesome Marinelli is at coaching the DL. IF it weren't for the fact that Peppers is from Krypton, the DL would be taking just about as much heat as the OL. Just about.

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Same shit different day. The price we pay for being Bears fans.

Fixed that for you. LOL

No, I caught that. But apparently you missed when you typed, "I'm doing it from JA's and Lovie's points of view." Um, yeah, no you're not. History suggests otherwise.

Agreed. Give Hanie a shot. Hopefully he won't do this...

I guess it's about percentage of blame then. I only think he could have gotten rid on a few (i.e. 2 or 3) legitimately. If he had thrown the others away he would have gotten an intentional grounding penalty. Come to think of it, maybe the Giants DL deserved an intentional grounding penalty?

Agreed. I actually prefer it in this order: OL, OL, S, OL.

Don't lie to yourself, dude. You're doing it from YOUR point of view, with a mix of something else in there. If you were truly doing it from Lovie and JA's point of view you wouldn't have selected multiple OLinemen.

This shouldn't have made me laugh, but it did. I think it'd be a good choice. True, his arm isn't great. And his vision as a QB is borderline cross-eyed. His touch is Vick-esque. But he would help out a lot if called upon when the Bears' management ignores OL again and it results in Juice starting.

Unfortunately, before the signing Angelo and Lovie didn't know that Manumaleuna is actually a Samoan word meaning "massive heap of garbage."

Check it out... Cutler is expected to play

Saw this on Chicago sports. Blame Game

Great article on Tice. A little blast from the message board past. Tice will turn the OL around!

Sarcasm noted. You'd think that since it's so painfully obvious to me (and so many others) that the high and mighty folks running the Bears would have noticed it as well. Nah...screw that shit, let's get another DT; or better yet, let's draft another SS and call him a FS! Yeah, that's the ticket! It seems that the Bears front office thinks it works the same way for all positions. Sorry, but it works for the defense as well. The best DBs and Safeties in the world turn mediocre when the DL doesn't get any pressure. They've tried the DL approach. Now let's see the OL approach.

Given their track record and the team's history with injuries, I'm not a big fan of the Bears' team doctors. However, I will say that the signs and symptoms a of consussion are very similar to numerous other things, and are easily confused unless it's a really nasty one where the player is calling himself Batman.

JK bschmaranz. Seriously though, I'd appreciate it if you would refrain from making similar predictions in the future. This thread is filled with prophecy and ignorance. It's amazing to look back at what has been said, and too easy for some to flip-flop when they realize they have been wrong. In this case, however, nobody is as right as bschmaranz.

Well, SURPRISE, SURPRISE, SURPRISE!! Here's the rub...fix the OL, and the WRs suddenly look better. It doesn't matter if the Bears pick up Reggie Wayne and Andre Johnson if the Bears' QB is under a pile. On the other hand, even nobodies can do work in the NFL if the OL gives an NFL talent - especially one with an arm like Cutler - the time to survey the field. Time helps receivers get open.

Not being argumentative, flea, but what game are you watching? What camera angles are you watching? Unless there is a "right behind Jay Cutler"-cam, it's pretty difficult to blame much on Cutler. A few of the sacks were coverage sacks, and he could have gotten out of the pocket and ran for a few (or thrown it away), but just about every single play had a free-running 300 pounder running in a direct path to a stationary Cutler. There is plenty of blame to go around. And it should probably go around the OL a few times before it makes its way to Cutler.