jason

Show me where TO has caused a problem while on the field. Oh, and BTW, it's "throwing a QB under the bus after a championship run"...that eventually ended with a loss. Therefore, it's not a true "championship" run. I agree that the coaches and much of the front office are idiots, but IDK what you're talking about with the OL. It's rarely addressed, and the one mistake (Colombo) is not really a mistake...it's an unfortunate injury. As for the Cardinals' player, I have no clue which starter was formerly with the Bears. I'm missing something here.

When things were going well in both places, you barely heard a peep out of TO. I don't know where you are getting the reverse angle from. TO's reactions, from what I have seen over many, many games, always seem to be negative when the team loses, and he feels he could have helped the team more. Both of those teams were winning teams...but both ultimately lost.

I'll summarize for the sake of argument... -TO and Randy Moss are hard to handle OFF the field, but not so much ON the field. Your points are almost always things that happen OFF the field. I saw TO do the stuff you mention in Dallas, but nowhere else. I have not heard of the fight in the Eagles locker room being caused by TO. -Both WRs may have been locker room problems, or interview problems, but that is an organizational problem that should be handled in house. -If a team has a problem with a player, then the coach and the organization need to handle it. If the combined will/authority can't control the player, then it's poor management. This is true in all organizations. We'll always disagree, but I think you guys put too much into this off the field junk. If the dude is putting up 10 TDs or more every year, then he's a damn player. And that's what I want to see on the Bears: players. I want the Bears to win more than I want them to have a bunch of good guys. Notice that I was COMPLETELY against drafting Benson, once he was on the team I was equally against getting rid of him because I thought it was a bad move ("bad" guy or not). If the Bears from yesteryear had to deal with today's sensitive, PC climate, where every decision is questioned and everything is overanalyzed, you guys would not remember players like Butkus or Ditka fondly...because they would have been run out of town.

I wonder if Forte is happy with Smith's performance...because most people aren't. Side note: I follow Forte on Twitter, and it appears that every day he is pushing himself when working out. Good news.

Often, because it is important. And since the OL sucked last year, it's up to the QB and the WRs. The key word in your statement is "solid." I agree; often you can get solid players. But rarely do you get superstars who don't have a little bit of "me first" in them, maybe more. Randy Moss sure seems to be doing fine in New England. Terrell Owens sure seems to do well when his teams are winning. Both have no issues getting along with teammates while ON the field. That's what I care about. I'm not saying they'll be perfect, but neither has punched a teammate in the face like another person on our team. None has helped split the team against another teammate. Agreed. That's why I said it was too late in my original reply to this thread. The problem is, just about this entire board has said no to TO for multiple years, even back to the old board, despite the fact that we had bums like Dez White and others at WR. TO was available in 2004 when the Bears had Thomas Jones lead the team with receiving. A RB led the team. RM was available in 2005 when the Bears had Muhsin Muhammed lead the team with a weak 64 receptions. TO was available in 2006 when the Bears had Muhsin Muhammed lead the team with a weak 60 receptions. RM was available in 2007 when the Bears had Bernard Berrian lead the team with 71 receptions, not bad, but not #1 quality. The point is, EACH year those two stars were available, the Bears needed WR help in a VERY bad way. Each year they were ignored...much like the team seems to ignore the OL.

...who puts up stats at the WR position that the Bears have NEVER seen in their entire history. Think about that for a minute. EVER. That's effing ridiculous.

You know I agree; read the sig that I've had for over two years. Yet it keeps getting ignored for more and more DTs, DBs, and DEs for Lovie's busted ass system.

Been saying this for several years, but almost everyone on the board has been all against it. If everyone remembers correctly, TO AND Randy Moss could have been had at one time. In fact, I'm sure I made a post about it. But no, the Bears need Boy Scouts instead of football players. It would have been nice seeing him catch balls from Cutler last year. Unfortunately, it's one year late.

Chicago Bears.com - Martz in Attack Mode Martz: "We want to be in an attack mode no matter what." I love it. In other words, it's EXACTLY the opposite of the garbage offense that the Bears have had for most of the past decade with guys like Shoop and Turner. It will NOT be a "play to protect the lead" offense. It will not be a "play not to screw up" offense. It will not be a hesitant, tentative offense. It will be an attacking offense. I can't wait to watch the NEW Bears offense this season. Finally the Bears have an OC with a pair.

Good, because he couldn't have looked more uncomfortable than most the time he played last year.

There goes Reggie Bush's fantasy value.

Good thing the Bears picked up Corey Wooten in the 4th, and Joshua Moore in the 5th...because DE and DB were OBVIOUSLY bigger needs than OL. Honestly, if we're sitting here talking about Omilaye, Beekman, and Schaffer as the main competition for more than one position, then it's a problem that needed to be addressed sooner than a training camp battle.

Completely agreed. It's ALL about the OL blocking.

Hester is perfect for the slot, and just about all of the others would benefit from the move.

Completely agreed. Too many injuries, too many questionable starts...something just isn't right. It may not apply to the combine and the enlarged heart/valve issue, but there is definitely a pattern of sorts.

Thought you guys might find this interesting. I was working an Arena League game the other night and ran into Paul Edinger. Remember him? Paul Edinger Remember his twisting, whirling kicking style? Well, he doesn't do it anymore. I didn't want to be too intrusive so I didn't ask to pose for a photo or anything (photos below), but I did talk to him for a quick bit. He's still trying to get back into the NFL, and he has completely reworked his kicking motion. He said after leaving the NFL he watched tape and realized that the unconventional twist was causing him to pull kicks (who woulda figured?!), and he had to straighten things out as well speed it up a bit. I always liked him, and he looks like he's gotten even more accurate.

No way I can go with Smith. I dislike him immensely, but he's still behind at least Jauron and Wanny. Jauron was completely inept, ignorantly loyal, and just always seemed overmatched. Wanny completely destroyed the Bears from top to bottom. Zombie Lovie is not my favorite, but at least the Bears made it to the Super Bowl under his "watch."

MOST HATED: RW McQuarters. He didn't care about winning. He didn't cover anyone. He always played off the ball ten yards. The damn bandaid pissed me off like no other adornment in NFL history. And the infamous "gimme the ball" moment will always be remembered. MOST LOVED: This is tough, because I have loved so many Bears. Walter Payton, Jim McMahon, Brian Urlacher, Neal Anderson, so many great choices. But I'd have to split it between two less-heralded players: 1) Mike Brown - He didn't seem to be the strongest, fastest, or great in anything measurable, but the guy knows how to play football. When he returned the back-to-back, game-winning INTs in OT, he forever became a Bear legend in my eyes. I don't think I've ever been happier as a Bear fan than after those two games. 2) Tom Waddle - Despite a short career, he will always remembered as what a pro football player should be. He is the epitome of effort, dedication, and a desire to win. Seeing him play after sustaining multiple concussions - and getting straight knocked out one game - showed me that he actually wanted to win, rather than collect a paycheck like so many other professional athletes (like that douchebag RW McQuarters).

I have been for this, saying this, supporting this, SCREAMING this, since the early 90s. The only time I didn't call for it was when the Bears had Crowton, who, admittedly didn't do care too much about the running game, and was quickly run out of Chicago as a result...with assorted other details (but at least he tried to attack the defense). The last few offensive coordinators have been protect the lead, play not to lose limp-dicks. I EAGERLY anticipate the Martz regime.

Almost exactly my point. Hell, Iglesias has all sorts of potential, was drafted, and he can't get on the field. Barnes is going to have splinters on his ass to prove that he was on the Bears, and that's about it.

I like Chris Harris and everything, but is there a new type of cover-2 defense that relies upon the abundance of strong safeties? Because we have them. Maybe a 3-4-4? (j/k)

I agree to a point, but the opposite poses problems as well. Hiring retread guys over and over creates a situation where coaches and front office guys are so far in the woods that they can't see the trees.

That's hilarious for two reasons. One, there is no way he is worse than Omiyale. Two, there is no way he is anything resembling what he once was. The pickup would be just like the Pace signing. Promising and scary at the same time.

I like the guy, but he doesn't fit. He doesn't beat out Knox for the speed position. He doesn't beat out Hester for the slot position. He doesn't beat out Bennett for the possession position. He doesn't beat out Aromashodu in anything. Nice to get the hometown kid, but barring injury, there is no way he sees the field.

The easy answer is, you make roster spots by cutting guys that suck. Omiyale may be one of the worst performing Offensive Linemen I've ever seen. Shaffer and Beekman weren't a lot better. And Chris Williams is still somewhat of an unknown, but I hope, like you, that he'll be the starting LT for ten years. I just happen to think it's was a more important need than anything else with the exception of FS.