jason

Nobody is doubting your football past. But you just don't throw continuous lob passes to tall receivers when the QB is under duress. One, this creates a situation where a QB is still getting murdered. And, two, just as important, you've now set up a situation where a WR is more likely to be injured. Most of the quick throws to Moss and Fitzgerald aren't just lob passes. But that's because those guys know how to get open better, and more often...and the OLs on their teams actually block consistently. Sorry, dude, but with the Bears of the last three years, it's ALL the OL. Fix that, and the "short" WRs won't have problems.

I'm in agreement. 12 sacks do not happen by a fluke. This, and the defensive line's underwhelming performance, just makes a little sicker every time I hear about how awesome Marinelli is at coaching the DL. IF it weren't for the fact that Peppers is from Krypton, the DL would be taking just about as much heat as the OL. Just about.

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Same shit different day. The price we pay for being Bears fans.

Fixed that for you. LOL

No, I caught that. But apparently you missed when you typed, "I'm doing it from JA's and Lovie's points of view." Um, yeah, no you're not. History suggests otherwise.

Agreed. Give Hanie a shot. Hopefully he won't do this...

I guess it's about percentage of blame then. I only think he could have gotten rid on a few (i.e. 2 or 3) legitimately. If he had thrown the others away he would have gotten an intentional grounding penalty. Come to think of it, maybe the Giants DL deserved an intentional grounding penalty?

Agreed. I actually prefer it in this order: OL, OL, S, OL.

Don't lie to yourself, dude. You're doing it from YOUR point of view, with a mix of something else in there. If you were truly doing it from Lovie and JA's point of view you wouldn't have selected multiple OLinemen.

This shouldn't have made me laugh, but it did. I think it'd be a good choice. True, his arm isn't great. And his vision as a QB is borderline cross-eyed. His touch is Vick-esque. But he would help out a lot if called upon when the Bears' management ignores OL again and it results in Juice starting.

Unfortunately, before the signing Angelo and Lovie didn't know that Manumaleuna is actually a Samoan word meaning "massive heap of garbage."

Check it out... Cutler is expected to play

Saw this on Chicago sports. Blame Game

Great article on Tice. A little blast from the message board past. Tice will turn the OL around!

Sarcasm noted. You'd think that since it's so painfully obvious to me (and so many others) that the high and mighty folks running the Bears would have noticed it as well. Nah...screw that shit, let's get another DT; or better yet, let's draft another SS and call him a FS! Yeah, that's the ticket! It seems that the Bears front office thinks it works the same way for all positions. Sorry, but it works for the defense as well. The best DBs and Safeties in the world turn mediocre when the DL doesn't get any pressure. They've tried the DL approach. Now let's see the OL approach.

Given their track record and the team's history with injuries, I'm not a big fan of the Bears' team doctors. However, I will say that the signs and symptoms a of consussion are very similar to numerous other things, and are easily confused unless it's a really nasty one where the player is calling himself Batman.

JK bschmaranz. Seriously though, I'd appreciate it if you would refrain from making similar predictions in the future. This thread is filled with prophecy and ignorance. It's amazing to look back at what has been said, and too easy for some to flip-flop when they realize they have been wrong. In this case, however, nobody is as right as bschmaranz.

Well, SURPRISE, SURPRISE, SURPRISE!! Here's the rub...fix the OL, and the WRs suddenly look better. It doesn't matter if the Bears pick up Reggie Wayne and Andre Johnson if the Bears' QB is under a pile. On the other hand, even nobodies can do work in the NFL if the OL gives an NFL talent - especially one with an arm like Cutler - the time to survey the field. Time helps receivers get open.

Not being argumentative, flea, but what game are you watching? What camera angles are you watching? Unless there is a "right behind Jay Cutler"-cam, it's pretty difficult to blame much on Cutler. A few of the sacks were coverage sacks, and he could have gotten out of the pocket and ran for a few (or thrown it away), but just about every single play had a free-running 300 pounder running in a direct path to a stationary Cutler. There is plenty of blame to go around. And it should probably go around the OL a few times before it makes its way to Cutler.

If your clarification is what you meant, then we are in agreement. Yes, I touted Martz. I still think he's the best OC we've had in many, many year. But he screwed the pooch on this one, and should have adjusted to the punishment that Cutler was taking. With that said, I still place the majority of the blame on the OL and the combo of Lovie/Angelo for not addressing it sooner (i.e. in any of the last three years' drafts).

It's worth bringing back up after a game like this one. For multiple years there has been a very vocal group who have said the OL was priority #1. Meanwhile, others have sided with Angelo and Lovie, using the "you don't work in the NFL so you don't know anything" garbage as a weapon in the debate. The entire time it's been the OL.

I don't think you'll find a single soul saying that Martz is absolved of blame on this one. He called an atrocious game, and never adjusted to protect Cutler. With that said, my god, the OL has been bad for several years now, and many have said as much. When will it be addressed? Meanwhile, teams like the Jets invest heavily in the OL, and they are just running the hell out of the ball.

Five sacks were his fault? C'mon! Think about this... The majority of the calls were deep drops. The majority of the plays with deep drops had at least one OL cleanly beat. When a QB drops back on a deep drop, he's supposed to turn and survey the field for a WR. If everything goes perfectly, it should be a pass right after the back foot is planted. But when you plant your back foot and see your initial read is blanketed, then you look for another. Cutler didn't even have time to look at his second read. That's F'ing pathetic. Most of the ones he was "supposed to" throw away would have resulted in intentional grounding penalties, because he was getting hit inside the tackle box. I'm sorry, but maybe one or two of those is on Cutler. The rest is as mentioned before (i.e. OL, Martz, Lovie, Angelo).