jason

I got to thinking that the Bears need lots of help on both sides of the ball. That requires draft picks. The Bears have none. So, which player(s) would you trade - in a realistic scenario - that could potentially bring the Bears a windfall of picks, and set them up for possible future success? Jay Cutler Lance Briggs Tommie Harris Devin Hester I think that's it. I think those are the only guys who can return something in free agency. Jay isn't going anywhere. Neither is Lance. Tommie is soured now, and might not be worth as much. And I think Devin is a little overvalued for the Bears, and wouldn't be worth as much on the FA market now that he can't find the endzone on special teams. Is ANYTHING possible?

I think everyone is tired of waiting for Kevin Jones, but RBs are a dime a dozen. The Bears don't need another Tulane RB; they already have one. That pick should be OL, DL, or S. Period.

Well, at least it's a logical take on things. Not very comforting, but logical.

And it appears to be unanimous. What in the world would his slow, plodding ass do behind this OL? Yikes. I can see a YPC in the mid one range. I move to never again talk about this on the Bears message board. Do I have a supporting vote?

Team MVP: Lance Briggs. Makes plays all over the field, shown leadership, helping as best he can where Urlacher is missing. Biggest Surprise: Johnny Knox. Everyone knew he could fly, but nobody expected this. Biggest Disappointment: OL. Their writeup: An offensive line that was expected to be significantly upgraded with the free-agent additions of Orlando Pace, Frank Omiyale, and Kevin Shaffer could be worse than last year's unit based on its uneven performance in the first half of the season. Pace has been a bust at left tackle, Omilaye is a pure tackle who struggled at left guard before being replaced in Week Eight by Josh Beekman, and Shaffer has been a nonfactor. Player to Watch: Jay Cutler. Basically, the burden falls on his arm since the OL and the running game is nonexistent. Key to second half: Cutler needs to cut down on INTs, Forte & Olsen need to step up, and the defense needs to do a better job of getting to the quarterback. ------------------------ So, my questions about this article are as follows: A] If the OL is such a disappointment, why isn't their improvement a key to the second half? B] How much do these clowns get paid to write this obvious drivel?

Is that not also a coaching problem? A good coach would take a talented player and find ways to use him. A bad or average coach would simply use a player with talent. Sounds like the typical junk from this staff: square peg, round hole.

It's scary how much we agree on this issue. The only difference is I don't think ANYONE has sucked near as much as Omiyale. LG, Omiyale: F- LT, Pace: D RT, Williams: C- C, Kreutz: C RG, Garza: C+

Well, given that neither has been in a groove all season, I don't see the problem with the midseason swithch.

What sucks is that if he is cut, he'll just go somewhere else and turn back into the first rounder the Bears had a few years ago. What troubles me is the camera work on the play in question. On the first replay, Tommie was underneath the Cards' OLineman. Afterwards, however, all we see is Tommie on top landing the punch. What happened prior to that to enrage Tommie so much? NFL players, even crybabies, very rarely go for the sucker punch in the middle of the game, out in the open, with the refs nearby. I'm telling you all, something dirty spurred this.

I agree DBDB. Best game of the season. But that's still akin to a F student getting a C minus and being happy with it. The OL knew that they were passing the whole game, and there was only one thing to concentrate on. I have a feeling that if the blocking schemes got mixed up too much, and more runs were in there, we would have seen then stink up the joint more than they did as Forte would have been drilled over and over at the LOS.

We'll agree to disagree on this one. There is no way in hell that 99% of the players want to win more than they want to get paid. It's the same in the other major sports. That's why you always see the mega-rich allstars who have not won a championship take a late career, lesser deal (or ignore their team allegiance) on a different team in hopes of winning a championship. I'd say about 25% want to win more than they want the money, lifestyle, and fame. The 99% may have been true decades ago, but not in today's world where even the scrubs make 3 million a year. So what is easier for the modern, greedy athlete? 1) Make a ton of money and play for a less demanding coach who won't bust your balls 2) Make a ton of money and play for a more demanding coach who calls you out for not earning your millions Seems like #1 is the obvious answer to me.

Feels like this guy stole from my mind/blog/calendar/etc. My signature line has been this way since coming over to this board, partially because it's what I believe in, and partially because I felt the Bears have/had neglected this area of the team for some time. Nice to see everyone finally coming around to the reality of this concept. Without a sound OL, there is no way a team can properly and thoroughly evaluate skill players (e.g. QB, RB, WR, TE). There simply isn't enough time to make things happen, or to create the holes intended through play design. Let's hope that the Bears' front office realizes this and makes corrections in the offseason. Otherwise, Cutler will have a short career for the Bears.

Do you think that Lovie's "aw shucks" attitude has anything to do with that? I know most people would prefer a coach who is less demanding in training camp, and doesn't get on them as much. It's easier to be friends with a person like that, a boss like that.

I called for Martz before each of the last two seasons. He may not focus on the ground game as much as some would like, but the man knows offense, knows how to exploit other teams' defenses, and would be a DRASTIC improvement over Turner.

Completely disagree. If Lovie is fired, and he takes the cover-2 with him, then it's an improvement as long as the Bears don't hire an actual retard. The Bears need coaches who can change when needed, who can adjust to situation. Lovie and his cover-2 don't do that, and the system just doesn't work that well unless you have a team full of pro-bowlers like the Bears did a few years ago.

Sign a FA OL, then sign another. That would be a great offseason! Maybe even target OL in the third or fourth round. Getting rid of the coaches and their horrible scheme will take care of the problems on defense.

Read my signature line. That is it, period! Without an OL,the addition of a "stud wr" is almost inconsequential because we havent had the time to really utilize the full skill set of either Cutler or the WRs (or the RB & TEs for that matter). Build this OL, and there can be more 5 and 7 step drops, and longer routes...and with that much time there is no team in the NFL that can cover the Bears' speed on offense. it starts in the trenches, folks, and nearly all of the Bears' offensive woes would be fixed with a good OL.

in theory, I agree. However, winning, attitude, and momentum are all contagious. If everything is docile and towing the line on the outside, and the team is winning, then there is no issue. When the same things happen and the team plays without passion, plays lazily, and loses games that should be won, then you MUST make changes. If those changes can be made on the exterior to help with motivation, or provide inspiration, then those modificationsshould be made. I DO care about the other stuffbecause it ultimately has an affect on the end result: wins and losses.

Ditto

FTFY

I obviously couldn't see the off camera stuff, but I saw about three plays that looked as if a receiver was open and Cutler didn't throw that way. Of course, how can you blame Cutler when on the fourth step of a five step drop he can already smell the breath of a defensive lineman.

As always, Turner insists on inserting the square peg into the round hole, all the while ignoring common sense often enough for nearly everyone who has seen multiple games to question his coaching ability. This absolutely MUST be Turner's last season in Chicago.

When you said "personnel" moves, I was really hoping it would list coaches.

I think I FINALLY understand what you may be saying. Yes, you are correct, no message board post has "value" to the team, because no matter how hard we wish, the team will not listen to us. HOWEVER, we may not be employed by the Bears, or another football entity, but it's entirely possibly, no, PROBABLE, that our opinions on this board are probably collectively correct, and better suited for the Bears' chances of success, regardless of the amount of "value" the actual Chicago Bears organization sees in our opinions. ========= If that's not what you are getting at, then I, once again, think you are basically being ridiculous. The worse this coaching staff does, the more and more they show incompetence, the slower they make adjustments to obvious flaws in scheme and poor player personnel decisions, the quicker they make excuses, and the more frequent the Bears look unprepared and uninspired, the more likely that others will join this side of the debate...which I have believed for quite some time. It's entirely possible that someone can do something wrong for a very long time, and just because they have experience or a higher standing doesn't mean they make the correct decisions for the whole. I happen to know a DII head basketball coach who doesn't have a clue about the game, always sucked as a player, and only got the opportunity because his daddy was a DI coach somewhere. With several of these coaches and coordinators (i.e. Lovie's buddies), I don't see why this situation isn't nearly identical.

Just more reason for me to hate Turner.