jason

And therein lies the problem. Too many late round guys simply don't pan out. Trade out of the first? Fine. I don't like the idea a lot, but it's not too bad if you get a few 2nd rounders, maybe a few 3rd rounders. As already stated, this is probably done with cap considerations in mind - in my opinion this is probably the driving factor.

Bingo. You nailed it right there. End of thread.

Dude, there is no opportunity to agree to disagree in this discussion. You can't agree to disagree with facts. That's like saying I agree to disagree with whether or not the sun is hot. There is talent in every round of the draft. The guys wouldn't be drafted if there were not. HOWEVER, there is statistical PROOF that as each round progresses, there is less and less talent on the whole. Will there be an abberation here and there? Absolutely. Will there be superstars in later rounds who, INDIVIDUALLY, may be better than most of the first rounders? Sure, but not often. The simple FACTS are that better players are that collectively, better players are drafted in the first round, and the talent diminishes collectively as the draft progresses. There is no opportunity to agree to disagree with these facts. Otherwise, the draft order wouldn't matter, there wouldn't draft pick values for trades, and there would be complete chaos within the draft. Teams would forego all their picks in the first three or four rounds so that they could have the entire seventh round of the draft to themselves. That's just effing retarded and you know it. Are there good/great players in later rounds? Yes. Is there an inverse relationship between overall talent level of the players drafted as compared to the round in which they were drafted? Undeniably.

So, what you are saying is, the mocks you do are what you think the Bears WILL DO, and not what you think they SHOULD DO?

It's OK, but I wouldn't be extremely happy. Both OL positions are needed before CB.

1. If this costs a lot, he shouldn't be cut. 2. If it's size and tackling, then that's a cop-out excuse. He's always been this size, and the tackling can be corrected. Besides, he was injured, and before then did fairly well. 3. Drafting a CB in the first round would be effing horrible for the Bears right now. Period. That's not even in the top five needs (OT, OG, QB, WR, FS).

It's as if you raided my brain and stole the thoughts. I can't remember the last time I've felt confident that the entire coaching staff was competent and capable of making the Bears a better team. It's a shame really.

All in fun Pix. I agree that a coach doesn't have to be fired up 100% of the time, but it's nice to see SOME fire out of the coach. Also, since I don't think Lovie and his crew are very good, it's relevant to my point of view.

NFL Films best of the coaches on the sideline Notice it's the best. If Lovie were in there, it would be a lot of mumbling and stuff about "braaaains".

Interesting read from Toub's interview posted on ESPN. Toub is gonna fix Hester My favorite part: DT: We're going to emphasize with him to get a first down; get the ball up the field north and south, get 10 yards and then make a big play from there. If Devin can get that in his mind, then the return TDs will be there again. He spent far too much time going backwards and sideways, thinking he could outrun anyone and everyone...even someone with a great angle on him. Hester is super, but he's not superman.

If that happens, I will murder and gut Mel Kiper Jr, and then wear his hair as a helmet like a follically challenged Leatherface.

I remember a few years ago the Bears had a TE or a FB who was a stud LB in college...but was now converted. The guy wasn't superb by any means, and I could never figure out why they didn't move him from Offense back to his home at Defense. Recasting players seems to happen a lot on the Bears. Meanwhile, guys with defined strengths get put in to do things that everyone in the world knows they aren't built or capable of doing *cough* Wolfe running up the middle on Vikings Defense at the goal line *cough*

Extending on that point, I look at it this way: Would you rather have Bobby Engram and Wes Welker OR Would you rather have Devery Henderson and Lee Evans I think the choice is obvious, which is why I chose option B in the poll.

Oher, period. A LB in the first round this year for the Bears would be ridiculous. It would be stupid. Unless the dude runs a 3.9 forty and benchs a Dodge Charger, drafting a LB, any LB, this year would be one of the stupidest draft day decisions in history. Yes, history.

It's crazy...and I think it'll be BS if he wins. He did well for a ROOKIE QB, but Forte did damn well for a VETERAN RB.

I'm just gonna go ahead and say it. BS. If anything, I'd say it's opposite of what you're trying to say. It would make more sense for a normal tackler to have his arms out, so that he can wrap up after the impact. I know that's how I was taught. You can spear, with or without your arms spread. HOWEVER, if a player is really thinking about spearing, or h2h contact, it would be in his best interest to make himself as compact as possible. That holds true for pretty much all tackling and impact, but truer when a player is relying on a single, blunt-force hit, like one delivered by a spearing motion.

I don't see it happening in a million years. No way.

FYI: You do the same thing when leading with your helmet. Condensed trap muscles and tightened neck help lessen the blow on the spine.

I voted for Forte, and I truly think he deserves it. Neither Flacco nor Ryan deserve it. It's cool and amazing what each has done as a rookie, but when you break it down, they didn't even throw for 20 TDs. Not really rookie of the year numbers if you ask me. Put their numbers against other QBs who are not rookies, and the numbers aren't as impressive. The same doesn't hold true for the RBs. As for Johnson, Forte beat him in just about everything worth mentioning: yards, rushing yards, TDs, receptions, receiving TDs. Steve Slaton is the best competition, and his late surge may push him past Forte in the eyes of the voters.

And it's clear, at about the 1:05.5 mark, that the first things to hit are the two players' helmets. He may have lead with the shoulder pad, which is up for debate because to lead with the shoulder means that the helmet has to come along, but there is no debating the fact that the first contact is made by the two helmets blasting each other. I guess the point of this topic is that I wish they'd just have a more stable application to the rule. In my opinion, it's much more inconsistent than any other call. With a play like this, where it's clear that he WR braces for the hit - and thereby causes the helmets to hit - it shouldn't be a penalty. This time it wasn't, but most of the time it seems that the refs call it a penalty. I can think of a few Mike Brown hits that were flagged, but I didn't think it was his fault. I thought it was essentially the same as this hit - the WR ducking for cover and ended up causing the helmet-to-helmet hit.

It's clear that there are disagreements on the subject of what's the most pressing need, but let me ask you which more likely produces a good offense: A- Good RBs, Average WRs, Good OL, Good QB B- Good RBs, Good WRs, Average OL, Good QB BTW, the question is rhetorical.

If he's actually telling the truth, which I hope he isn't, then that would be... BAD BAD GOOD

I agree AZ...but that's exactly my point. I think it was an awesome hit. And I think it should be legal. The game is softer than it has been in the past, and they're protecting the players. But the problem is, they flag the exact same play the majority of the time.

That's my point. Orton from Purdue throwing to Orton from Purdue would be funny, if not productive.