jason

Or maybe you could take a step back and kiss your own ass. I understood HOW it works, but when I said “I don’t understand the reasoning of that decision,” I meant “I don’t understand how they thought that decision was right considering it’s essentially double jeopardy,” as Adam pointed out.

It's a Bears message board. It's a part of the the Trubisky trade. Of course we're still talking about it. We will always talk about it, especially when the near impossibility of Cleveland trading up to #2 comes up. And that's regardless of whether or not Trubisky turns out to be a stud.

Assuming the Bears trade down like they should, someone like Josh Jackson from Iowa could be there early/mid 2nd. Here's a quick mock I just did to play out the possibility. Your Picks: Round 1 Pick 21 (BALT): Mike McGlinchey, OT, Notre Dame ( B ) Round 2 Pick 1 (CLE): Equanimeous St. Brown, WR, Notre Dame (A) Round 2 Pick 6: Dorance Armstrong Jr., DE/OLB, Kansas ( B ) Round 2 Pick 7 (CLE): Josh Jackson, CB, Iowa ( B ) Round 2 Pick 21 (BALT): DaShawn Hand, DE, Alabama (A) Round 3 Pick 23 (TENN): Jamarco Jones, OT, Ohio State (A) Round 4 Pick 21 (BALT): Porter Gustin, OLB, Southern California ( C ) Round 5 Pick 6: Daniel Carlson, K, Auburn (A+)

Couldn't the same be said of drafting two OLBs? Only one can start opposite of Floyd. I know, I know...rotations, but it's a similar scenario. Defense may win championships, but with the way the NFL has changed the past 20 years without the Bears adjusting, it's about time the Bears focused heavily on offense. And that means doing whatever they can to protect their franchise QB and provide him with weapons.

I just simply can't agree with the bolded. Realistically, ANY team has the draft capital to move up if they are willing to mortgage their future for a player. So, sure, technically you're right. The Browns could have traded the rest of their 2017 draft, and then something significant in 2018, to move up to #2 or #3. Sure, it's possible. But so is winning the powerball. Long story short, what's possible is not probable. They weren't going to give up that much to move back into the top 3.

If it's #2 or #3, it's still a dream scenario. We agree on everything.

That seems completely backwards. The rule should be the team with the toughest SOS gets the advantage in tie-breakers, not the other way around. I don't understand the reasoning of that decision.

I think that's how I feel about it as well. And if everything works out perfectly, Kevin White turns into the first rounder he was supposed to be. Then the Bears are stacked, and someone (likely Meredith) fights to stay on the team.

That's interesting. It changes perspective on the entire deal. I didn't know it was the toughest schedule in the last 5 years.

Still wrong according to common sense and the draft trade chart. http://www.talkbears.com/forums/index.php?...st&p=166749 No way Cleveland was trading up to #3. And nobody else had the fire power in terms of picks to do it either. Unless, of course, they were willing to pull a Ditka. In which case, the Bears were stupid to turn down such a deal.

Agree on Trevathan and Sitton. Not Sims. Sims was and currently is redundant. The Bears can sign a cheap journeyman TE to backup Shaheen, because he absolutely needs to be fully integrated into the offense as the starter.

I don't know why they went away from him. But I highly doubt he's a problem off the field. He's a really well rounded person from a great family, and has a wonderful support structure.

Pretty much how I feel, but I'd rather go with Jordan Matthews from Buffalo than Jarvis Landry. I think Matthews has been horrible underused in Buffalo, and would excel in Chicago. Also, he'll be much cheaper than Landry. My second guy is inconsequential because he'll never see the field behind Meredith, Inman, White, Ridley, and Matthews.

Denver and Indy still have to play one another. Cleveland has #1 locked up, but if the Bears lose out, they are guaranteed to be ahead of at least one more team.

You're conflating two things. I'm not talking about helping the D. Also, I completely disagree that adding two 1st-round talents to the Chicago Bears' OL wouldn't help. The Bears OL is still a weakness, just not as great a weakness as it once was. Leno is still average at best, Sitton is playing pretty well, Whitehair has been significantly worse this year, Long has been injured and not as good, and Massie sucks. McGlinchey would easily beat out Leno before the second preseason game, and Braden Smith would probably beat out Massie. I don't like the idea of two rookies on the OL, but if the talent is far superior, then the years of experience don't matter as much.

Nah. A top 5 D and a garbage OL turns him into a shell-shocked QB, like David Carr or Jay Cutler.

I agree on the concept of pass rushers, but I think you can’t have enough OL help for a young QB, and this is a help Trubisky draft. OL and WRs!

Excellent summary and spot on. That's all that matters in the near-term.

If there really is a football God, White returns next year, is fully healthy, and finally shows everyone why he was selected so highly. Then, completely out of gratitude for the patience the Bears have shown him, he signs a team-friendly deal for a few years.

This all smells of Martellus Bennett, and how he was the guy targeted all too often when Jay Cutler threw a suspicious interception. Several of them were proven to be Bennett's fault, so this is not all that unfathomable to me.

Concur. I seem to recall the Bears being in this pickle once before fairly recently.

Some have talked about how to fix offense or defense, and pointed to defense being closer. This is true. But if the coaches and franchise want Trubisky to succeed, he needs to be given everything he needs. That means weapons and tons of time to throw to the weapons. Here's the mock draft that would fit that bill. Trading down is obviously mandatory. Your score is: 15527 (GRADE: C+) - Don't care about this score. Your Picks: Round 1 Pick 19 (BUF): Mike McGlinchey, OT, Notre Dame ( B )-Starts at LT immediately Round 1 Pick 29 (PITT): Courtland Sutton, WR, Southern Methodist ( B+ )-Stud WR and Red Zone mismatch, a crutch for Trubisky. Round 2 Pick 6: Ronnie Harrison, SS, Alabama ( A- )-It can't be all offense, and this is great value. Reuniting him with Eddie Jackson could pay huge dividends. Round 2 Pick 26 (BUF): Parris Campbell, WR, Ohio State ( B- )-Lightning in the bottle, great ST return guy. Round 2 Pick 29 (PITT): Braden Smith, OT/OG, Auburn ( B+ )-Can play inside or outside. In my scenario he plays outside to start. An absolute monster in terms of strength. Round 3 Pick 20 (CAR): Ogbonnia Okoronkwo, OLB, Oklahoma ( A- )-Floyd's counterpart to collapse pockets. Round 4 Pick 6: Maea Teuhema, OG, LSU ( C+ )-One more personal protector. He's depth for when Sitton or Long go down. Round 4 Pick 7 (HOU): Baker Mayfield, QB, Oklahoma ( A+ )-A little incentive and reinvestment in the QB position. I'd looooooooove this draft. Can't fix everything, but this is a close attempt. Use FA to pick up defense as needed.

See, that's more like it. That's why I mentioned when Trubisky was drafted that the Bears should go heavy on OL & WR immediately. The same applies now. If they are hitching the cart to Trubisky, then everything possible to make him successful should be done.

Really? He's on pace to throw for nearly 4000 yards for the season, and currently has 28 TDs (league leader) to just 5 INTs. You can poo-poo it all you want, but if that were Trubisky this post would likely be getting typed from the doctor's office as I wait to be seen for carpal tunnel and a torn rotator cuff from all the fist pumping and high fiving.

DING DING DING!! Assuming the Bears can't get Gruden, Reich sounds like the guy for the Bears' future. 1. Eagles offense success 2. Wentz was DIII and jumped right in 3. NFL QB for 13 years 4. Played during the K-Gun era All of the above means he understands complicated offenses and design, and is the right guy to mentor Trubisky.