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Agree. I’ve always said Love was overrated and just happened to fall into some one in a lifetime talent that perfectly fit his defense. As soon as those players began to deteriorate, it was over. He was just good enough to keep it towthef and decent. A new coach inheriting that situation has nearly no realistic chance to succeed.

I understand the reasoning for the comments about cutting him, but they are way early. If the Bears want to save money, there are plenty of others to cut before Long. His ceiling is far too high to just toss over a few million that can be recouped through cutting bums and scrubs.

Where do you stand on Jeff Fisher throwing his hat in the ring as potentially the next Bears HC? A. No B. Hell No C. Oh HEEELLL No

Up until he went on IR, Mitch Unrein was having a career year. In 12 games he had 1.5 sacks and 24 tackles. That's not a joke. That's his career year. Meanwhile, Hicks has 8 sacks, 38 tackles, and is a general terror on the field. The Bears need to upgrade Mitch Unrein more than they need to upgrade OLB. This is something I said last year. The same holds true. I think at this point I would prefer the Bears to start with a trade down then... 1. Mike McGlinchey, OT, ND - Could start LT or RT, whichever. 2. Equanimeous St. Brown, WR, Notre Dame - Great size and speed. #1 immediately. 2. Da'Shawn Hand, DE, Bama - He's got incredible strength and could be a steal 3. Lorenzo Carter, 3-4OLB, Georgia - Floyd clone. I would like that start because it gets DE in order before OLB. Unrein needs a replacement ASAP.

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I think the Niners are done winning. They have the Jags and the Rams left, and both of those teams are really hot. If the Bears lose out, however, they have a realistic chance of moving up one spot. The Texans will likely beat the Colts, making them a 5-win team.

I like it, but I'd rather not see SS early. That should be, IMHO, the first WR or the second OL.

-Multiple brutal penalties from the OL -No respect for the passing game and it wasn't exploited. Michael Irvin butchered Fox and Low-Gains at half. -Check down city for Trubisky. It felt like a Shoop nightmare. -Poor run blocking as well. -Stupid penalty on the long return. Third week in a row some idiot gets a Cohen play called back? This is starting to feel like Hester. It's gutless football. 4th and 1 and Fox punts?! WTF was that? Bright spots: -Eddie Jackson. He has the "It Factor" like Mike Brown did. He's just always around the ball. I wish he would have punched the long pass away. -Akiem Hicks. One of the best DLinemen in the NFL. Very underrated what he's doing. Also, Kendall Wright needs to be in the concussion protocol or drug testing system if he thinks this team doesn't need receivers. On Trubisky's fourth quarter INT in the EZ, everybody was blanketed. Except maybe Wright, and he was probably the 4th or 5th read. He's really overvaluing his comrades. He's the only legit WR on the roster.

It's so bad I didn't even realize the game was today until the start of the 2nd quarter.

Certainly smarter than you, because my example proves the flaw in the current system and your support of it.

Detroit 27-Chicago 17 I don't trust Low-Gains. All the play-action passing and moving pockets from last game were too obviously successful for him to stick with it. He gets cute and changes things up, to the detriment of the team.

Suppose the Bears were one of the healthiest teams in the league instead of one of the most injured? What scenarios would have played out? What would the record be? The first thing I think of is Kevin White. If he didn't get injured again, would he have blossomed into a star WR this year? Would his ascendancy have led to Glennon performing better and keeping the job?

It's cool. Remember, I never said I thought it was likely, or that it could be proven in any way. My whole secondary argument to that issue was that it's an unknown, he's a good coach, and he couldn't do much worse than the supposed offensive "experts" that have been hired by the Bears for quite some time. I never said it was likely. On random luck alone, I'm pretty sure half this board could have done a better job calling plays than Low-gains this year.

Is English your second language? You do realize there are multiple meanings to words, right? Colloquially (look it up), saying something like "I don't understand the reasoning of that decision." often means "I don't agree with the reasoning of that decision." As for the elevation in draft order and what not, I completely get it still. Your reasoning, and the NFL's, is flawed. You said, "But yes, if two teams have an equal record, the one that played inferior competition is worse." That can easily be proven false. -You race on a track against Usain Bolt, Carl Lewis, and Michael Johnson. You go 0-3. -Rookie Eddie Jackson races on a track against Bruce Jenner (pre-op), Devin Hester, and Randy Moss. He goes 0-3. -If everybody listed raced each other, the three guys you faced would go #1-#3 in whatever order. -You raced against better competition and have the same record as Eddie Jackson. Therefore, you're faster/better than Eddie Jackson.

Who else got to see one in person? I got to see the one versus New Orleans and the whole stadium could feel it coming. Even my wife said there was a buzz in the stadium before the kick happened.

The thing about Hester that makes him the GOAT and a worthy HOF player is not just the record number of kick return TDs, but also the number of huge returns and TDs that got called back. He revolutionized the kick return game, and it would have been even more ridiculous if some of the others hadn't been negated.

It's not doublethink, but you tell yourself what you need to. Teams that tie in terms of record shouldn't have their draft seeding penalized by the fact they just so happened to play damn near every team that is going to the playoffs. That's not a true indication they are better than another team which has the same record but played worse teams.

The reason why it's so implausible is the amount they would have had to trade to get back to #2. Cleveland was/is a horrible team in need of many players, and it would have required at least their next four picks (1.12 = 1200, 2.33 = 580, 2.52 = 380, 3.65 = 265) to get to the value of Chicago's #3 (2200). Even more would have been required to get to #2 (2600). They were easily the worst team in the NFL last year, and their front office would have been eviscerated if they gave up that much to move up to #2 when so many QBs were better situated for their location in the draft (i.e. Watson & Mahomes), and they had/have so many deficiencies on their roster.

Here's the thing, I don't looooove McGlinchy. I just think he's probably the best guy who might be there. I honestly don't love any of the top OTs that much, which furthers my desire to move back in the draft. As for Nelson, the play where he dove across for the opposite side rush did look nice. And he's the consensus #1 OG in the draft, but I don't think that's a good move. And I'm the "draft OL all the time"-guy. I'm not a fan of creating a hole where there is no need, and then filling it back up, when the yard is already full of holes. Sitton's contract is manageable, and fair considering his talent. Aside from that, I'm slightly worried about Nelson really high. He seems a bit clumsy at times, and lets defenders get into his chest too quickly. In the pros against some of these animals, that could be a major problem.

That's one of the best posts in the history of this board. I hadn't seen any of those links. Thanks! Also, Trubisky's accuracy, which is the one thing that has given me hope about this pick since the beginning, is starting to bear fruit. I really hope it continues.

Of course it’s a possibility that Cleveland, because they are Cleveland, decided to eschew all other common sense, draft value charts, common practice, and the future of their franchise. But that seems crazy even for them.

I agree it’s unlikely, but fun. Last year this sort of thing could have been possibly with two trades from #3 into Mid first, and then again to late first. Stinger is probably right in terms of the reality.

The website allows for a ton of trade back possibilities that are randomized.

Or maybe you could take a step back and kiss your own ass. I understood HOW it works, but when I said “I don’t understand the reasoning of that decision,” I meant “I don’t understand how they thought that decision was right considering it’s essentially double jeopardy,” as Adam pointed out.

It's a Bears message board. It's a part of the the Trubisky trade. Of course we're still talking about it. We will always talk about it, especially when the near impossibility of Cleveland trading up to #2 comes up. And that's regardless of whether or not Trubisky turns out to be a stud.